(New Card Discussion)Thada Adel, Acquisitor

[xouman]

My opp agreed he missplayed, but that vampiric tutor would be used to find a salvation, not a win condition, and I would have more time to win my game. Thada forces opponent to find a solution and doesn't let the opponent play freely, that's quite nice in a fish deck

[Cyberpunker]

What if your opponent did not run key?  

EDIT:

Thada becomes a worse Selkie then.

EDIT EDIT:

Well...maybe not worse because it can remove Tezzeret's win conditions. So yeah, its still good.

[sassfactor4]

In my testing against workshop aggro\stax, if I can resolve a theda adel, its extremely powerful.  I either pull moxes\lotus to accelerate past the sphere effects, or start exiling the sphere effects if all the accelerators are gone (unlikely).

Definitely better than Selkie in those matches, and arguably better than veldaken heretic \ selkie in every situation.

[xouman]

I think it would be useful to define in which situations is better a Thada than its "competitors". IMHO in 3CC slots for fish there are the following creatures:

-Thada Adel
-Cold Eyed Selkie
-Vendillion Clique
-Trygon Predator
-Aven Mindcensor


And now what creatures I think suit better to each pairing:

Against Tezz

1.Thada (not the slowest, and remove win conditions)
2.Aven (opp can't tutor WC, flash to block confidants)
3.Selkie (fast CA)
4.Vendillion (can remove key cards, beats tezz and flash to block confidants)
5.Trygon (few opps play only vault or key with trygon in table)


Against fish

1.selkie (overdrawing)
2.Vendillion (nice beater, allows cycling cards)
3.Thada (unblockable, may steal acceleration/jitte)
4.Aven (stops fetches, surprise block)
5.trygon


Against stax/mud

1.Trygon (amazing)
2.Thada (can steal acceleration, crucible, even a golem!)
3.Vendillion (unblockable beater)
4.Selkie (overdraw if opp does not have blockers...)
5.Aven (few searching...)


Against combo

1.Aven (stops tutors)
2.Vendillion (Takes key cards)
3.Thada (takes lotus, jar,alternative robot)
4.Selkie (slower)
5.Trygon (slowest)


Against oath

1.Trygon (evidently)
2.Selkie (CA if played quick)
3.Vendillion (can take oath from hand)
4.Aven (some oaths play tutors, stops tinker)
5.Thada (removes vault if played)


Ichorid

All are bad cards...


In summary, Trygon seems a SB card, but other 4 are better dependant on the metagame. I think thada is maybe the better with lots of stax and tezz and few oath, vendillion does not shine in any pairing but it's never bad, selkie and aven can be bad if stax continues growing.


So, Thada seems strong enough to earn a place in MD in some cases. What do you think?

[Troy_Costisick]

Ichorid

All are bad cards...

Thada might not be too bad against Dredge decks using Sharuum combo.

[Killane]

she's cmc 3 and they kill you on turn 2 and then board out the combo. Pretty sure she's still bad.

[turn3ionawin]

I have been preping for a upcoming vintage tournament play testing mostly against stax and here is the break down of the stupidest game combo with theda adel.

My turn one land hierach lotus theda, pass turn with daze force spell pierce in my hand.
he goes workshop mox lodestone, i daze.
Turn two play a mox, swing with theda take crucibal of worlds. play the wasteland i drew win the game.

Theda is so good against stax if you get early board position with her you can play their game take a tangle wire while you beat them for two and take all their mox and just hands down win this card is going to be exciting.

Vs tezz you just go theda first hit remove robot from the game. If you decide you wanna take their vault key you better know whats in their hand and you better have counter back up. Otherwise just play it safe and remove it from the game and win.

[DubDub]

I have been preping for a upcoming vintage tournament play testing mostly against stax and here is the break down of the stupidest game combo with theda adel.

My turn one land hierach lotus theda, pass turn with daze force spell pierce in my hand.
he goes workshop mox lodestone, i daze.
Turn two play a mox, swing with theda take crucibal of worlds. play the wasteland i drew win the game.

Theda is so good against stax if you get early board position with her you can play their game take a tangle wire while you beat them for two and take all their mox and just hands down win this card is going to be exciting.

Vs tezz you just go theda first hit remove robot from the game. If you decide you wanna take their vault key you better know whats in their hand and you better have counter back up. Otherwise just play it safe and remove it from the game and win.

Lotus won that game, not Thada.  Trygon Predator and probably Cold-Eyed Selkie also clean up with that opener.

[median]

Not sure if this has been brought up, but would extract be better than thada? It's one blue and takes any card (so tendrils against tps as well as time vault, or tinker target or iona etc~). It also comes down turn one so you can see exactly what your opponent is playing, and you don't need to cut selkie to run it.

[AmbivalentDuck]

The big benefit to Thada is that you can get free moxen against Stax, or take their crucibles/beaters.

[InfectedMushroom]

Not sure if this has been brought up, but would extract be better than thada? It's one blue and takes any card (so tendrils against tps as well as time vault, or tinker target or iona etc~). It also comes down turn one so you can see exactly what your opponent is playing, and you don't need to cut selkie to run it.

The difference is in the card advantage. Thada can grab multiple cards over the course of a few turns, effectively ending the game against many decks. It also beats and serves as a win condition. The versatility has been mentioned before in being able to grab Crucible of Worlds, Black Lotus and other important cards. Extract does nothing to advance your own game plan. While you waste cards and tempo grabbing one card, your opponent is setting up to kill you with plan B.

[Cyberpunker]

Although I won that round...I lost game 1 to Thada Confidant Tezz. He is dangerous preside and still pretty dangerous post side.

Metagame call if you want to maindeck it. But Fish already has a lot of Anti Tezzeret hate: Pridemage, Trygon, Selkie. Thada is only the latest to come out. But unlike the other 3, Thada goes for the kill right away!  

The thing I want to add is that Thada can also be ran in Tezzeret too. Maindeck even.

[Yyl Eerie]

 
That thing sure looks like it can wipe out a deck.

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