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« on: June 29, 2011, 12:22:41 pm » |
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This is obviously a card printed for edh. But does anyone think it could be a viable oath target. Milling and getting regrowth or will is obviously strong. Not to mention just getting timewalk, recall, timevault+key, and silver bullet cards. Seems just better than any of the sun Titan builds anyone as tried. And if you really want, you can start to treat oath like a cheaper slower tezzeret.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 12:37:06 pm » |
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Rune-Scarred Demon 5BB Creature - Demon (R) Flying When Rune-Scarred Demon enters the battlefield, search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library. 6/6
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 12:53:39 pm » |
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It's a pretty terrible oath target.
1. After an activation, there's no guarantee that anything worthwhile will be left in your library.
2. It's probably worthless if it's oathed up on second activation.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 01:19:56 pm » |
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I don't think you read my post. Your first point is nullified by the mentioned regrowth and y-will.
Your second point is invalid as long as you're running cards worth playing.
I guess you could have litterally oathed over all your controll, answers, and recursion but that's not statistically a valid concern.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 03:32:41 pm » |
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Oath - RSD trigger on the stack, I'll Krosan Reclamation my Time Walk - Tutor for Time Walk. Seems good.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 03:40:41 pm » |
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Oath - RSD trigger on the stack, Gaea's Blessing trigger to get my graveyard back - Tutor for Time Walk. Seems good.
Three mana cheaper.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 03:50:49 pm » |
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I guess the question is: is there any thing you'd tutor up with this guy following Oath that allows you to win faster than Golden Gun (BSC and Dragon's Breath) or more reliably than Terrastadon or Tyrant?
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 03:55:25 pm » |
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After you Time Walk, you've your swining for 6. Unless you do what the previous poster said and Golden Gun them. But in that case your just speed bumping along Golden Gun with 2 slots (Demon, Blessing) to have a increased chance to find those two. Demon just seems bad unless Oath has Y.Win setup or nastyness. I could see it as the only oath creature and vault-key combo? Not having to follow up with anything and mill yourself, use reclaim into Y.Win.. He really wants Y.Win and a graveyard full of deck.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2011, 04:10:09 pm » |
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This deck doesn't require the 4-5 dead cards that deck does. Personly I consider dragons breathe oath variants to be the weakest...ever. But that's a topic for a differed thread. Speed doesn't necisary make this better, but it does have the potential to be as fast. Something in the realm of: Oath, tutor timewalk, cast it, oath again, tutor up y will time vault key. There are a lot of variants on this play depending, and k. Rec. adds cosistency to these.. Even if the deck isn't faster I garuntee it will shit all over it's self less. Than anything running dragons breathe.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 01:58:37 am » |
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I already said it in the rumor-box:
3x runescared demon 1x gaea's blessing 1x timewalk
This will get you enough turns to Win the game without ever passing the opponent another turn.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2011, 06:51:19 am » |
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Tutoring for Noxious Revival could be interesting (free) when YWill/Walk ends up in the grave. You can do it in upkeep.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2011, 10:52:12 am » |
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I already said it in the rumor-box:
3x runescared demon 1x gaea's blessing 1x timewalk
This will get you enough turns to Win the game without ever passing the opponent another turn.
I can't believe I'm going to argue against DT-ing... but, what about when you flip Time Walk but not Blessing? What about when they Stifle the Blessing, or Crypt/Nihil/Ravenous you in response to the trigger? Getting a non-haste 6/6 Flyer whose impact on the game is negated by 0CMC activations and spells is dangerously close to Time Walking yourself, compared to getting Iona/Elephants/Tyrant, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2011, 11:37:36 am » |
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3 Demons, Regrowth, maybe a Noxious revival or two can probably make it work without needing Blessing. Blessing kinda sucks.
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hvndr3d y34r h3x
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2011, 11:51:19 am » |
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I already said it in the rumor-box:
3x runescared demon 1x gaea's blessing 1x timewalk
This will get you enough turns to Win the game without ever passing the opponent another turn.
I can't believe I'm going to argue against DT-ing... but, what about when you flip Time Walk but not Blessing? What about when they Stifle the Blessing, or Crypt/Nihil/Ravenous you in response to the trigger? Getting a non-haste 6/6 Flyer whose impact on the game is negated by 0CMC activations and spells is dangerously close to Time Walking yourself, compared to getting Iona/Elephants/Tyrant, etc. So what if you don’t have access to time walk? You have an entire deck of vintage playable cards to choose from. I think the whole notion of “I can’t get time walk 100% of the time so this demon tutor effect is trash” is laughable. You're still sitting on regrowth, recall, y-will. Shit, the turn after you resolve oath tutoring up a mana drain is still pretty good. And if you’re really stuck on the time walk plays, play a regrow and k.rec. I wouldn’t bother with blessing.
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