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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2014, 01:23:59 pm » |
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This is an interesting card. It's hard to judge it's playability just because there isn't anything that is exactly like it out there right now. The gold standard for blue fat at the moment is Delver of Secrets. This is conditionally better or worse than Delver in a few different scenarios. It also sort of reminds me of a poor man's Tinker in that you need an artifact in play to cast it and it creates a powerful effect. The synergy with Oath that Eastman pointed out also gives it a nice niche where it could fit. I'll certainly make an effort to snag 4 for my deck building binder.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2014, 03:18:03 pm » |
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Just a quick question about this but say im playin vs mud and i go mox land turn one make my mox a 5/5 pass turn then my opponent metamorphs it is the metamorph just a mox or is it a 5/5?
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2014, 04:15:15 pm » |
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I believe the copy would just be the mox, and its the aura that turns it into a creature. I've metamorphed an animated mishra's factory before and it came into play as an unanimated land.
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2014, 05:13:10 pm » |
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I mean it's cool and all and obviously has powerful interactions with many format staples, but this card is just so easy to beat. Abrupt Decay, Nature's Claim, Ingot Chewer -- all easy-peasy 2-for-1's. Even a Jace bounce or, hell, Hurkyl's straight-up trumps this. It's a cool card to toss into a rogue deck once in a while but it lacks the structural integrity necessary to maintain a steady place in the metagame.
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2014, 06:04:24 pm » |
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I believe the copy would just be the mox, and its the aura that turns it into a creature. I've metamorphed an animated mishra's factory before and it came into play as an unanimated land.
This is right. Rule 613, the infamous layer rule, determines the answer. First, you start with the actual object. "For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card." In this case, we're talking about the artifact has been animated. Then, before you applying any other layers, including type changing or power and toughness setting, Copy effects are applied in Layer 1. The upshot of this is that the copy is a copy of the original artifact without any other effects applied to it. This is true even if the only reason your copy effect could choose the artifact is because it was animated (clone, for example). |
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2014, 10:17:37 am » |
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To be honest, I'll be fine if I keep oath in hand while beating with a 5/5. If the 5/5 is not enough is because
1-The clock is not good enough. Oath would help little imho (I assume that ensoul artifact comes always first, so oath creature would appear 2 turns later, and with sumonning sickness)
2-You cannot attack, supposedly because of opponent creatures. Playing oath here sounds fine.
I don't see ensoul artifact as a strong play, but it's a different effect and seems playable.
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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2014, 10:15:30 pm » |
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I think what folks are missing as they evaluate this card is that a 5/5 on turn 1 is a huge threat out of the sideboard, particularly when you're on something like storm combo. This will never fuel a dedicated deck because any commitment to an aggro strategy enablers folks to 2-for-1 you far too easily. By contrast, who wants to keep their artifact removal in against TPS or Doomsday? Moreover, this is a bit of a trump to Workshops because resolving a single 2 cmc enchantment lets you profitably attack. If they play Chaice @ 0 or 2 instead of @1, they've pretty much already lost to your primary game plan.
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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2014, 10:19:02 pm » |
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I think this card is very good vs. workshops because not every creature in the deck is a lodestone golem. This card is a straight arm to the face of revoker and factory, especially if the animated mox was the card that was revoked.
If this card is a board card, then you can get into all sorts of game theory situations for game 3 as well.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2014, 09:32:08 am » |
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It actually seems more like "Rock trades with scissors" to me  They are both paper too. |
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