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Azhrei
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« on: August 05, 2004, 01:34:59 pm »

Years and years ago, back on Beyond Dominia, Matt D'Avanzo and I cooked up a Magic version of a list of logical errors we found in a Scott Adams book. The some of the stuff doesn't make sense any more (this was 2000, maybe 2001), but in context a lot of it was hilarious. It'll be funnier to people who were around then because they'll know who things were targeted at and what the metagame was, but some of the stuff is still worth a laugh even if you don't have firsthand memories of the inspiration.

However, the best part of this was that Yamo read it and got pissed off, until Matt explained that "I meant my Uncle Yamo, not you. Don't be so egocentric."

Yamo promptly apologized.

You Are Wrong Because:


For your convenience, I have circled the brain malfunction(s) that most closely resemble(s) the one(s) you recently made on the topic of (fill in topic): __________________________


1. AMAZINGLY BAD ANALOGY

Example: Playing the Keeper mirror is like being in the Matrix and dueling with Zorro in your underwear.

2. FAULTY CAUSE AND EFFECT

Example: Keeper only wins because so many people play it.

3. I AM THE WORLD

Example: In my local card shop, everyone plays fat green creatures and straight burn. Therefore, decks like Keeper and combo only exist online because no one has the cards in real life.

4. IGNORING EVERYTHING SCIENCE KNOWS ABOUT THE BRAIN

Example: Your personal style means nothing. Just play a net deck.

5. THE FEW ARE THE SAME AS THE WHOLE

Example: Michelle Bush is a woman. Michelle Bush plays a lot of Magic. Women must play a lot of Magic.

6. GENERALIZING FROM SELF

Example: My R/G fatty deck beats my friend’s Keeper deck 4 in 5 games. Therefore, my deck beats Keeper 80% of the time.

7. ARGUMENT BY BIZZARE DEFINITION

Example: Aggro is not bad. It just loses to control and combo.

8. TOTAL LOGIC DISCONNECT

Example: If someone plays a Noble Panther, Keeper gets decked.

9. JUDGING THINGS WITHOUT COMPARISON TO ALTERNATIVES

Example: I run  Mox Diamond. It’s a restricted mana producer.

10. ANYTHING YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IS EASY TO DO

Example: Keeper isn't so hard to play. Just tutor for, and drop Abyss.

11. IGNORANCE OF STATISTICS

Example: Land Grant sucks in Stompy, even though it thins your deck, decreases the chance of drawing superfluous land, and gives you a non-creature, non-pump spell to pitch to Bounty of the Hunt.

12. IGNORING THE DOWNSIDE RISK

Example: I think Prohibit is a fine counter spell. What is someone going to do, cast Shivan Dragon?

13. SUBSTITUTING FAMOUS QUOTES FOR COMMON SENSE

Example: “There are no wrong threats� so I’ll use Ridgeback in Stompy.

14. IRRELEVANT COMPARISONS

Example: I am perfectly qualified to comment on the state of Vintage control. I play Type One every weekend with a totally illegal Necro deck.

15. CIRCULAR REASONING

Example: Brian Weissman told me understands control better than I do because he invented "The Deck," and that he was able to invent “The Deck� because he has a better understanding of control than I do.

16. INCOMPLETENESS AS PROOF OF DEFECT

Example: Keeper is no good because it loses to 4 resolved Meddling Mages and 2 Clones.

17. IGNORING THE ADVICE OF EXPERTS WITHOUT A GOOD REASON

Example: Sure, the best players on the board claim that this is why control wins, but me, I'm convinced it’s Mana Drain.

18. FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF KNOWN IDIOTS

Example: Yamo says Keeper should run 3 Morphlings. That's good enough for me!

19. REACHING BIZZARE CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION

Example: Keeper has stopped using as much white. I think it’s time to not run any removal in my control deck.

20. FAULTY PATTERN RECOGNITION

Example: Combo has won the last five tournaments here. I think I’ll play Sligh again.

21. FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT’S IMPORTANT

Example: My rating is over 1800, but I’ve never touched a breast and an entire city hates me.

22. UNCLEAR ON THE CONCEPT OF SUNK COSTS

Example: I’ll keep buying Pokemon cards because those little guys are bound to be popular again, and I can make the money back later.

23. OVER APPLICATION OF OCCAM’S RAZOR

Example: I would have won if the Keeper player hadn’t gotten lucky and topdecked Balance.

24. IGNORING ALL ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

Example: I keep losing to Library of Alexandria. However, without a statistical analysis, I have no way of knowing if I need more land destruction. Therefore, I will continue to run only two Strip Mines.

25. INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS HAVE MULTIPLE CAUSES

Example: Control only wins because it can counter spells.

26. JUDGING THE WHOLE BY ONE OF ITS CHARACTERISTICS

Example: I hate getting my creatures countered by Force of Will. Banning Force of Will would be great for the environment.

27. BLINDING FLASHES OF THE OBVIOUS

Example: If Wizards reprinted the Power Nine, more people would play Vintage.

28. BLAMING THE TOOL

Example: I bought all the cards to play Keeper, but I still lose. Keeper must be dead.

29. HALLUCINATIONS OF REALITY

Example: White Weenie is a perfectly viable Tier One deck.

30. TAKING THINGS TO THEIR ILLOGICAL CONCLUSIONS

Example: Academy needs another draw 7. Let's run Diminishing Returns!

31. FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND WHY RULES DON’T HAVE EXCEPTIONS

Example: I can run only 25 mana sources in my Keeper deck if I use more basic land.

32. PROOF BY LACK OF EVIDENCE

Example: I haven’t played in years, but I’m sure I don’t need an Edict and Moat is still a main deck card.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2004, 01:53:49 pm »

Oh man, I remember these. So great.

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30. TAKING THINGS TO THEIR ILLOGICAL CONCLUSIONS

Example: Academy needs another draw 7. Let's run Diminishing Returns!

Note for the ignorant: It didn't make sense at the time, because that deck needed like 20 specific cards out to win the game.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2004, 03:39:26 pm »

Not to mention that at the time it only had 2 potential victory conditions and you had a really good chance of losing them both when you Returned with only 30 cards left... it was just bad. I remember in one online tournament that version beat itself about 1 in 3 games.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2004, 03:45:40 pm »

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I remember in one online tournament that version


No need to make that sentence any longer.... really.

Good post, I remember some of them Smile

Edit: That was two sentences, both of a reasonable length. You Yamo. Razz -- Azhrei
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2004, 05:18:43 pm »

Good times...
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2004, 08:31:10 am »

I remember reading these eons ago... Nice to see them again.  =)
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2004, 10:40:40 am »

Azhrei,

All of those points are a) classic and b) true.

But I have two other things to point out

A) I'm wowing at the fact that you're still around
B) I want to see you play Brian Weissman. Honestly. The world deserves it. You're a better representative than Rakso, at least.
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