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« on: November 15, 2005, 06:51:29 pm »

http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=308

An 81-person tournament in Germany, with T8 playoffs. Decks are as follows:

#1 Salvagers Gifts (no Oath)
#2 unpowered FCG
#3 UbaStax (no P9)
#4 Oath
#5 UbaStax
#6 TPS Gifts
#7 MY EYES, MY EYES ARE BURNING! (list quoted below)
#8 WTF (Worse Than Fish)

The 7th place list is extremely weird. You know I am a tolerant person when it comes to weird decks, but this... this is too much. Although it has a rock-solid land base!

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Maindeck (62 cards):
3 Goblin Charbelcher
4 Isochron Scepter
1 Scrabbling Claws
3 Scroll Rack
2 Zuran Orb

2 Lightning Helix
2 Blood Moon

1 Balance
1 Decree of Justice
2 Disenchant
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Argivian Find
1 Aura of Silence
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Humility
4 Land Tax
1 Moat
4 Orim's Chant

1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Diamond

2 Mountain
16 Plains


Sideboard (15):
1 Abeyance
1 Abolish
1 Blood Moon
1 Decree of Justice
2 Fire/Ice
2 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm
3 Rack and Ruin
1 Scrabling Claws
1 Tormod's Crypt

Honestly, am I missing something? Am I too unforgiving? I guess you need a LOT of luck to pilot this to the 5-0-2 finish that took this deck to the T8. In a proxy environment (the tournament was sanctioned), I'm pretty sure this would not have top8'ed. Am I right? Am I wrong? Is Scepter-Chant w/ 2 Lightning Helix, 3 Charbelcher and Moat/Humility so good that a build like this can win?

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 07:04:58 pm »

Has it really been so long that people can't recognize a Cherry Parfait decklist anymore?
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 08:33:41 pm »

Quote from: Prince Charming
Cherry flavored. Want a taste?

No, I didn't recognize it.

Even now when I recognize it, the list still looks hideous. Argivian Find? 3 Belcher? Aura instead of Seal? 62 cards?

Also, no Sacred Mesa. That might have tipped me off. Surprised

To add some content, no disrespect to Raph Caron, but I dispute the tournament viability of Cherry Parfait in a proxy/ powered environment. Calling it "viable" would be as bold as saying that 40 midgets could win a fight against a lion.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 09:28:17 pm »

I actualy like the build from looking at it. The helix adds so much to the deck just due to the major need for life gain.

Wasteland being cut bugged me at the start. The more I think about it though, the better it is. The moon really fills the gap, and there is not a big reason to run it.

Part of the reason it did well is that its so old. Surprise is a great friend, and since the enchantments are the important part to stall, Parfait does not hafve to worry as much about the collateral from rack and ruin, since one of the most important part seems to be dropping the humility.

The major question that comes to mind for me is the 4 tax/3 rack set up. I guess its due to the absolute minimum of mana sources being run
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2005, 05:31:07 am »

Let's call it a metagame deck for Wittlich ^^ I am the organisator and I just looked up the matchups he had: 3 Random-Aggrodecks (Win obviously), 1 fullpowered Dragon (win), fullpowered Gifted Oath (Draw), FCG (Win) and fullpowered TPS (draw). So he got some lucky matchups as he rolls over aggro like nothing, he beat Dragon due to the many hate he has packed (Chants, Swords, Disenchant-effects, etc.), and he drawed against the decks he would have lost against. In the Top8 he was slaughtered by Oath.

In a proxy-tournament this decks stands no chance unless it gets Dragon all day ^^
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2005, 06:03:35 am »


Even now when I recognize it, the list still looks hideous. Argivian Find? 3 Belcher? Aura instead of Seal? 62 cards?

Also, no Sacred Mesa. That might have tipped me off. Surprised


All the elements you noted - Find, Belcher, Aura - have been typical parts of Parfait lists. Even in the time of Mirrodin, when Parfait was definately on the decline, because to many people realized, that it hast a horrible control-matchup, people worked on the deck and found Belcher to be the much, much better win-condition compared to Sacred Mesa. So its not astonishing to find it in such a list. The only reason that stands against the inclusion of Belcher could be the higher Null-Rod-vulnerability. But this shouldn't be a point for a deck with enough Disenchant-effects. Anyway, three Belcher plus Decree seem to be too many winconditions.

On your question: Parfait can be a viable deckchoice in a meta full of aggro, but is awfull weak in a competitive field full of Gifts, Null-Rod-Fish and Grim Long.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2005, 03:20:40 pm »

Seriously? Can't people just try and play in tournaments with what they have without people mocking them?
Some people aren't as fortunate as others when it comes to flexible income, plus many other random factors ...

Good job to everyone that played in this tournament, and congrads to the Top 8 ...

Dozer, "Christ, someone teach you Manners!" Razz

PS. I believe tournaments like these generally help bring new players into the game ...
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2005, 05:34:44 pm »

Seriously? Can't people just try and play in tournaments with what they have without people mocking them?


Seriously, we should be praising this guy for doing so well.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 05:14:22 am »

I just want you to know that this guy is neither a new player nor a bad one. He played a lot of tournaments and most of the time he performed very good for being unpowered.

Before we came to Wittlich he considered playing Oath or a Fish Build, but when we arrived we saw a lot of random Aggro, Dragon and Oath, so we built a Deck that has a very good matchup against both of them.

Btw: He played just two Charbelcher and the helix imprinted in Isochron Scepter works very good vs FCG.
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