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« on: February 16, 2006, 11:55:03 am » |
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After playing with Puzzlebox casually, the idea crossed my mind that it might be decent with Uba Mask for prison decks to essentially Mind Twist their opponents.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with Uba Stax's game plan in each match-up to make an assessment as to whether or not it loses enough games due to it's opponent being able to tutor the card they need into their hand (where it's safe until they can attempt to ramp the mana to play whatever they fetched) to warrant this as a sideboard inclusion or not.
I will right now assume that this suggestion will ulitmately not pan out as optimal, however, simply tossing the suggestion on the boards I figured couldn't hurt.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 12:27:35 pm » |
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I tested this a while back, and while it wasn't bad against decks that need to set up their hands, there are much better options that we are testing now in the light of SOR, and more recently thanks to Everpence, I know at least he and I are playing Tangle Wire.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 12:37:08 pm » |
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Winds of Change does the same for 1 mana AND it's on color!
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2006, 02:25:05 pm » |
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Ah, but the Winds isn't permanent, nor shoppable.
All the same, it's pretty terrible. It doesn't do anything for you when you just have the Box, other than help your opponent draw into tinker. Additionally, even Wheel of Fortune, while having immense synergy with Uba, has been cut from Vroman's recent builds.
I just think that the Puzzlebox is a waste of slots in an already tight deck. Remember that Stax's goal is to make your opponent not do anything. Every lock piece must do something on its own, and have good synergy with the rest of the deck. Box does nothing, because of the redundancy in Stax means that most of the cards do roughly the same thing, topdecking is not an issue. And you already have bazaar as a draw engine. Box is just wasted slots in stax.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 06:18:05 am » |
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What is vromans most recent uba list?
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 07:33:05 am » |
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Vroman has said "Puzzlebox is ass," to which, I laughed at very hard.
It's true though. Tangle Wire is a much better lock.
Vroman is currently trying out Tangle Wire. You can find his list on the UbaWire thread in Vintage Open.
The results are in for Tangle Wire, btw, I just have to wait for someone to post on the UbaWire thread, since double posting is illegal.
Tangle Wire is AMAZING. It's so much better than Shaman, I love it. I can't go back anymore. I have found myself wanting Null Rod more for enemy mana, however, and even wanting Shaman more with Tangle Wire out (to kill moxes so Wire is more effective).
Because of this, I'm keeping my board the same. I have no doubts about Tangle Wire anymore though, and will continue playing the list I posted on the UbaWire thread.
Puzzlebox needs Uba Mask out to be good. It doesn't really do anything by itself except improve the chance of an enemy getting a rebuild and winning the game. It's actually detrimental, IMO.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2006, 03:53:32 pm » |
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Don't scoff at Winds of Change. Under an Uba Mask, it does quite literally the same thing as Puzzle Box. Puzzle Box doesn't lock them in any way, as after the first draw phase, they will have 0 cards in hand and Puzzle Box will just sit there. With Winds of Change, you get to suck their hand into the grumper/rfg pile, and then they're down to 0 cards in hand and are locked under Uba Mask. Not only that, but Winds of Change does it's thing at sorcery speed, meaning that any non-instants that they draw are dead cards. With Puzzle Box's initial activation, anything can theoretically be played, making it beneficial to the enemy the first time.
That being said, both are terrible and not worth the investment. Wheel of Fortune is about a hundred times better, and that's only played when there's room.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 04:42:28 pm » |
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Puzzlebox needs Uba Mask out to be good. This essentially was why I said I didn't think anything would come of this, but again, it couldn't have hurt to make a suggestion. It gets people thinking about SB options against decks that need to set up their hand and have a chance against breaking the locks. |
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