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« on: October 06, 2015, 12:02:53 pm »

Here's my take on the recent Vintage changes, including BFZ. I should have mentioned that the Wizards! list would have played Chalice in the past.

http://www.gatheringmagic.com/natmoes-100615-vintage-banned-and-restricted-update-breakdown/
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 09:01:58 pm »

Nice read, as always! Thanks for sharing.  Very Happy
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 08:29:31 am »

Interesting wizards list. One guy in our local league played wizards for years, with a similar list. I never have had the guts to shelve something like this, despite I own everything but Vial (and I'd play stony silence over vial, and probably thalia too). In fact, the first deck I played in vintage was a UBW fish deck that some friend lent to me. I won two rounds thanks to kataki, barely understanding how to play my own cards.

Nowadays delveresque decks should be taken into account and any fish deck should have a good plan in the maindeck to answer them, via creature destruction or playing bigger creatures (mayor of avabruck maybe?). Nevertheless hate decks should be built with a very clear understanding of the metagame, and I still don't have a clear idea about what to expect in my local league. But I hope to see old faces in magic tables because of last changes Smile
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 09:55:34 am »

Interesting wizards list. One guy in our local league played wizards for years, with a similar list. I never have had the guts to shelve something like this, despite I own everything but Vial (and I'd play stony silence over vial, and probably thalia too). In fact, the first deck I played in vintage was a UBW fish deck that some friend lent to me. I won two rounds thanks to kataki, barely understanding how to play my own cards.

Nowadays delveresque decks should be taken into account and any fish deck should have a good plan in the maindeck to answer them, via creature destruction or playing bigger creatures (mayor of avabruck maybe?). Nevertheless hate decks should be built with a very clear understanding of the metagame, and I still don't have a clear idea about what to expect in my local league. But I hope to see old faces in magic tables because of last changes Smile


Yeah, it was Delver and friends that made me shelve Wizards! last time I played it. Trading 1 for 1 in that way isn't great, but it's doable. Omar Nieto was playing some radical looking Vial lists as well around that time and had Grim Lavamancers and Sowers. (http://morphling.de/top8decks.php?id=1684&highlight=3#place3). The potential for this deck comes in hoping that Moxes and Thirsts make Gush, Delver and friends less playable. Wizards! was very good against decks that relied on Tinker and Time Vault.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 11:34:31 am »

Yep, Omar Nieto (aka Detion in the net) was a pain for heavy control players. The problems with his builds were often opponent's creatures and sometimes the manabase. That's a nasty think for wasteland decks: they are usually the decks that suffer more from opponent's own wastelands. Omar relied on vial  (previously to MM) in order to avoid mana fixing problems: once he had a vial with 2 counters and two untapped blue lands, each card in hand was potentially an uncounterable counterspell.

However his deck relied a lot on chalice (playing null rod with vials was out of consideration), so now he would have to make big design changes on his build.

Overall I think that next tournaments people would switch to either play Thirst, or fight it (or maybe both thanks to notion thief). I myself plan to play 3-4 notions or spirits of the labyrinth. EOT control feels even more important than ever, unless some tricks (abolisher, teferi, cavern of souls...) develop.
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