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Rakso
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« on: November 20, 2003, 06:21:15 am »

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=6221

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Quote Some of you may not realize it, but December 1 is just around the corner. What is the significance of that date? The next Restriction List change is going to be announced soon - most likely explained with some vague, almost useless paragraph - and good money says something's going to happen after all the furor over Type I and Extended.
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Brendan
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 08:02:44 am »

Reading that made me appreciate the "head to head" section of Steve's long.dec series even more than I aleady did.

I already voiced my disapproval on the scg forums, and i'll reiterate in a slightly more respectful manner here:

I don't see the point in devoting an article to a matchup that is, for all intents and purposes, worthless. I'm sure there are very few people that care that keeper beats reallyreallyreallybadsuicide. dec. Your head to head articles are already struggling for credibility since you are so biased in the games you actually published, and this was a large step on the wrong direction for you.

You really need to add something of value to your average player here.. Steve's was excellent because his long.dec games analysed WHY the decisions were made. All reading your head to head matchups will teach people is that keeper wins 95% of games, and the entire strategy is to mystical for ancestral, misdirect hymns, balance away enemy creatures and cast a morphling.

Very sub-par I'm afraid.

I vote Smmenen takes over writing the head to head series.
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Smmenen
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2003, 04:55:56 pm »

While I appreciate the complement - I think you missed some of the value of Oscar's logs.  While my article was focused intently on key tactical decisions - Oscar is aiming to have a little more fun with it.  If you want to have fun reading a type one log - that's what Oscar's doing and he does it fine.  

Steve
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Matt The Great
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2003, 05:07:27 pm »

Isn't this, like, six months obsolete?
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PucktheCat
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2003, 05:23:58 pm »

It is, but he says so in the log.

Remember that Rasko started this series over a year ago with an overarching structure in mind.  This must be a leftover set of logs from near when he started.

I think it is more than six months ago, actually.

Leo
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David Hernandez
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2003, 05:58:53 pm »

@Brendan:

Even though the log is old, it isn't really out of date.  The strategy behind the moves can still be very useful, especially for people who have no power cards (and are running decks like Sui). You get the "flavor" of a tournament report with some witty commentary.

Even though he usually uses logs that show Keeper winning, there is a some reason behind it. After all, he is a Keeper player.  Also, with over 100+ articles AND the Control Player's Bible, he'd better be writing about something that is interesting to him.

Oscar's article is still a good read.  

--Dave.
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Montana_Gamer
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2003, 06:10:01 pm »

I like Oscar Tan's writing style, but I would like to see him play against a better Suicide deck than the one that he did play against.
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David Hernandez
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2003, 06:22:14 pm »

At the end of the article, he states that he is going to post another article with updated Sui decks...

Dave.
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Matt The Great
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2003, 06:39:12 pm »

Well that's a little better then. Still, with something THIS out of date, it's a wonder he didn't just skip straight to the new black decks.
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glenchuy
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2003, 07:55:25 pm »

actually wondering the same thing too.
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2003, 09:02:09 pm »

Quote from: Montana_Gamer+Nov. 20 2003,18:10
Quote (Montana_Gamer @ Nov. 20 2003,18:10)I like Oscar Tan's writing style, but I would like to see him play against a better Suicide deck than the one that he did play against.
Oxymorons 4L
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2003, 09:58:49 pm »

He probably had an old log sitting around, nothing to write about, and a gleam in his eye.

"Ah yes, that will fool them," he said in hushed tones within the dim-lit bedroom he writes from.
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Rico Suave
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2003, 10:10:13 pm »

Actually, I count two outdated decks.
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MoreFling
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2003, 05:28:53 am »

Quote from: Rico Suave+Nov. 21 2003,04:10
Quote (Rico Suave @ Nov. 21 2003,04:10)Actually, I count two outdated decks.
hell yes lol!
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Magimaster
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2003, 06:41:05 pm »

Quote from: Zherbus+Nov. 20 2003,18:58
Quote (Zherbus @ Nov. 20 2003,18:58)He probably had an old log sitting around, nothing to write about, and a gleam in his eye.

"Ah yes, that will fool them," he said in hushed tones within the dim-lit bedroom he writes from.
Oh man that phrase paints an awesome picture in my mind...it's the stuff stories are made from.

Hooray for Pump Knights!
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Solaran_X
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2003, 06:46:58 pm »

It's nice to know Rakso's outdated Keeper can still beat an outdated Suicide Black deck. I'm glad I don't live in Malaysia and have to face this kind of fierce competition.

EDIT: Upon actually READING Raksos article...I have some questions...
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Quote Classic Suicide Black, Oscar Tan, 2002 test deck
Creatures (19)
4 Sarcomancy
4 Carnophage
3 Flesh Reaver
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Hypnotic Specter

Disruption (12)
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole

Others (3)
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Mana (26)
4 Dark Ritual
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
7 Swamp

First off...what kind of deck is this? 4 Carnophage and 4 Sarcomancy? Those haven't been used in forever! And 3 Flesh Reavers alongside 4 Negators? He must be TRYING to kill himself AND destroy all his permanents. No Shades for the good kill? No Masticore for creature assistance, or even Powder Kegs to deal with Moxen? And fetchlands in Suicide? Gah... Atleast Rakso had the normal disruption base right...but it's hard to mess up 4x Duress, 4x Hymn, 4x Sinkhole...although I'm surprised he didn't put Unmask in...

I would hope Rakso's old Keeper deck could deal with this shitty of a Suicide Black build.\n\n

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wuaffiliate
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2003, 07:25:21 pm »

i havent played zombies in sui for like over 2 years now...
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