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Author Topic: Tourney Report: Thursday Night Type 1  (Read 4772 times)
CrazyCarl
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« on: July 17, 2002, 02:15:13 pm »

Hi! I got really bored, and I figured some people would like a tournament report to read, so I figured, what the hell, i'll write one.  This tournament was pretty interesting.  Single elimination, first and 2nd get prizes.  I played your average keeper deck(5C) With the only oddities being Cunning Wish and a lack of Black Lotus(I also ran Vampiric Tutor).

Cunning Wish took the spot of StoP in my deck because I was tired of drawing it vs control and wanted a more versatile card in that slot.  In my sideboard I have(for wish targets)

1 Diabolic Edict
1 Misdirection
4 Red Elemental Blast
1 Allay
1 Shattering Pulse
2 Swords to Plowshares(I moved the one i took out of the MD to the sideboard because I wanted to have 2 plows after board at least vs suicide or stompy.)

I also removed Circle: Black from my board for Caltrops because I was expecting a D'AvanZoo, and the 'Trops seemed like a decent answer for them.  This would come back to bite me in the ass later.....

Round 1: Josh O.  Playing Keeper(modified)
He finished his set of Power off at Origins, so I was looking foward to a good match.

Game 1: He gets out an early Mishra's Factory and starts swinging.  I draw a waste eventually for the Mishra.  He attempts a YawgWill to get back some useful stuff, but nothing gamebreaking.  Never-the-less, I force it because I have almost nothing and I want to win with the morphling I had gotten out the turn before(Now I remember, he had either an Edict or a Balance, either way, I didn't want those coming to play).  I swing for the win.

An interesting thing: He got out Jayamdae Tome, and I could have just countered it, but he also has some artifact mana(only 3 untapped however). So EOT I wished for Shattering Pulse and blew up his side.

Game 2: I get out the Dynamic Duo early on(Shaman+Miner). And he is a bit mana light to begin with, so it's not much of a contest.

Round 2: James Wilhelm aka The Kaiser playing Keeper

Game 1: He gets out a turn 1 Mishra's Factory.  At that point i'm getting annoyed; Since when does everyone run Factories .  Anyhow, he beats me up for a while.  I manage to resolve ancestral at some point, draining his drain.  So i'm able to get out a Jayemdae Tome with 2 moxes, a sol ring, and a zuran orb out.  I also have balance in hand.  He has 3 cards, I have just the balance.  He beats me up, then eats my moxes and says go with 2 untapped.  So I untap, draw a misdirection, then cast balance, in response, saccing all my lands.  he then kills my zuran orb.  So the table after all this is him no lands, zuran orb, 1 card.  Me, Jayamdae Tome, sol ring, and misdirection.  He does nothing and passes the turn.  I draw Tolarian Academy .  I start out drawing him.  After a few turns he goes for Ancestral which I misdirect which prompts him to scoop even though he really wasn't out of the game.

Game 2: My draw is really good with some land, a Shaman, a Miner and a Red Blast.  However, I have no red sources.  I keep anways because I have 9 red sources in my deck plus tutors if need be.  I draw City of Brass .  He does waste my city however, so I'm unable to blow up lands for a few turns.  In those turns he only plays 1 or 2 however.  I draw a Demonic and I go for Mox Ruby(He can't waste/strip it) which allows me to start blowing up his side of the board.  He concedes rather than be eaten by a dwarf and a monkey.

Round 3: Sean playing SuiBlack with Zombies, Unholy Strengths, Rod/Orb, and Ichorid
He really enjoys beating up Powered players, so it's my job to stop his fun  

Game 1: He gets a fairly quick draw.  I get out an early Sylvan, followed by a Morphling which stops his attack.  He has gotten me to low single digits.  I have out a Zuran orb however(I forgot to use it once which may or may not have cost the game, I dont' think it mattered in the end though)and using the Sylvan, i'm able to fog the Shadow every turn.  I was swinging for 5 with Morph every turn.  However, the 3rd time I attacked, I should have only gone for 4 because he is able to attack with an Unholy Strengthed Zombie token and the shadow guy and I have to block with Morph, one mana short of saving it(Greedy greedy   ) So he's able to win on his next attack.

Game 2: I get out an early Caltrops and Abyss, so everything in his deck is pretty much negated(even the Ichorid), so Im' able to win with Morphling early on.

Game 3: I keep a 2x Mox, Sol, 2x Land, Caltrops, Merchant Scroll hand.  I lay turn 1 Caltrops, then Ancestral into Demonic Tutor.  He wastes me down to only a City of brass.  He plays turn 1 Sarcomancy, Turn 2 Double Sarcomancy :|.  I'm in a rough spot already.  I was a black or white mana short of Demonic tutoring for Balance and casting it.  Before a chance to cast the tutor comes however, he Duresses it, basically ending the game for me, so I walk away in 3rd place with no prize ;(.  Oh well, I had a good time anyways.

Thanks for reading, and if this report was any good(though it was short), I'll try to write another next week.  Gotta support the communty somehow...

Carl
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Green Knight
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2002, 03:48:16 pm »

Hey Carl, It was a good read. Thank you for posting it  
quote:
"I have out a Zuran orb however(I forgot to use it once which may or may not have cost the game, I dont' think it mattered in the end though)and using the Sylvan, i'm able to fog the Shadow every turn"
I missed something here. How did you "fog" it w/ the Library? I can see using the orb for life...ahh set up a land draw every turn w/ the Sylvan, gotcha.
Post that report next week:)
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2002, 04:29:14 pm »

Yeah, by forgetting to use it the one time(when he wasted, what a n00b mistake ) I had to sac a land later on when I wouldn't have needed to otherwise

Carl
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Cavalry19D
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2002, 12:54:39 pm »

Hey, cool report ! Definately keep writing. The more the better.

It's weird how you schooled two keeper players then lost to Sui !
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Rakso
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2002, 01:04:08 pm »

Carl... why did you side Caltrops against Suicide?
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2002, 01:31:35 pm »

Because he plays Ichorid

Ichorid
3B
3/1
Haste
Whenever ichorid is in your graveyard, at the beginning of your upkeep, you may bring ichorid into play
at the end of the turn destroy ichorid

I had lost game 1 to that guy(Abyss doesn't kill it).

Plus with it and fire/ice I could kill 2 zombies, or one with unholy strength on it.

Carl
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riverboa11
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2002, 09:57:23 pm »

lol

That was the tech from that article on StarCity.  

Good read, Carl.  
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carl
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2002, 02:36:40 am »

Why don't you play Moat instead of Caltrops?
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2002, 03:03:19 am »

I..... um, I ...... think, um... Moat, um..... pales in comparison to uh... Caltrops because... uh.... I can cast Caltrops... and I uhhh, well, I really, well, Moat, um, I cant cast because... I uh, don't um, well, own one     .
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Superman on Dope
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2002, 03:33:51 am »

I have a Moat in my sideboard but don't side it in against Sui.

Why?  2WW.

Not only is it difficult getting WW out against Sui with all their disruption, but I run a nifty card called Ensnaring Bridge that only cost 3 colorless and seems to do the trick.

Crazy Carl:  Did you guys steal your tech from the SC article, or did you come up with that all on your own.  Sui with Ichorids and Keeper sbing Caltrops to counter this latest tech? Smile  
Hope it works out for you next time.
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Rakso
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2002, 09:21:41 am »

Yeah, but that's not exactly smart tech, is it?

Uh... you side in a couple of late game cards that DON'T hurt late game cards sided against you like COP: Black or Ensnaring Bridge?

Eh???
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2002, 11:22:00 am »

Ug, stop giving me shit about the fucking caltrops :[  I was expecting D'Avanzo's Z00 and Sligh as the only real aggro decks(I'm usually able to peg the whole field, about 15 people or so, before I get there).  My sideboard was:

1 Shattering Pulse
2 Dwarven Miner
4 Red Elemental Blast
1 Allay
2 Swords to Plowshares
2 Circle of Protection: Red
1 Misdirection
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Caltrops(NORMALLY Circle: Black, I changed it before the tourney)

So as you gentleman can now see, I didn't have ACCESS to an Ensaring Bridge or Circle: Black(I don't own a bridge anyways)

Anyways, what StarCity article are you referring too

Rakso:
"Yeah, but that's not exactly smart tech, is it?

Uh... you side in a couple of late game cards that DON'T hurt late game cards sided against you like COP: Black or Ensnaring Bridge?"

What are you talking about  
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2002, 11:28:17 am »

Anyways, how good is Ensaring Bridge vs Zombies?  Not very I think..... Unless they're unholy strengthed.

Amusing side note(Nothing to do with the discussion, it's just something I remembered): Before I started playing Keeper I was running OSE.  No one knew of my switch though(they figured it out eventually Razz) but the whole evening, people were playing around the Teferi's Response that wasn't in my deck  
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Green Knight
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2002, 11:58:18 am »

Hello Carl,

The article riverboa is talking about is Laura Mills' (shouts out to the Colorado type one players!) here is the link: http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandsub.php?Article=3361 it's a good read and a great illustration of low cost, effective, type one decks (well a deck any way).
Wow some one said StarCity and type one tech in the same sentence, I have NEVER heard that before (okay, okay there is this guy who writes about Keeper...I meant other than Rakso:)). I hope we keep seeing type one article's posted in the public's eye.
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2002, 12:09:08 pm »

Ah I see.  I've never read the article.  My opponent may have, but he's a pretty creative guy, so I'm guessing he "came up" with the idea to play it in SuiBlack.
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Rakso
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2002, 12:11:21 pm »

Though I appreciate the spirit, it was chock full of inconsistencies and misleading points. I agree with Forsythe that everyone who was telling him Type I is accessible because you can play Suicide like Laura Mills (nothing personal against her) is only convincing him that it's not.
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Rakso
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2002, 12:12:47 pm »

Quote from: CrazyCarl+July 19 2002,12:22
Quote (CrazyCarl @ July 19 2002,12:22)Rakso:
"Yeah, but that's not exactly smart tech, is it?

Uh... you side in a couple of late game cards that DON'T hurt late game cards sided against you like COP: Black or Ensnaring Bridge?"

What are you talking about  
Siding in Ichorid against The Deck.

Moreover, the thing will side more StPs, to boot.
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Green Knight
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2002, 12:18:22 pm »

Did Aaron Forsythe write something I missed about type one or was that a private conversation? If it was an article can you please post a link or send it my way?

I don't get it, what do you mean that by:
"I agree with Forsythe that everyone who was telling him Type I is accessible because you can play Suicide like Laura Mills (nothing personal against her) is only convincing him that it's not."
How does showing a deck that performs well in type one and is inexpensive help convince that the format it expensive? Reverse psychology?
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2002, 12:34:10 pm »

Rakso: He didn't side them in, he was running them MD

Greenknight: Eh?

Carl
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Green Knight
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2002, 12:47:03 pm »

Sorry, I could have formatted that better. I should have edited the above post, but here is what I was saying.

Rakso said:
   "I agree with Forsythe that everyone who was telling him Type I is accessible because you can play Suicide like Laura Mills (nothing personal against her) is only convincing him that it's not."

I just don't see Rakso's point.
How does showing a deck (Sui-Black/Mono Black) that performs well in type one and is inexpensive help convince
that the format is expensive or rather not accessible? Reverse psychology?

Moved... Project Clean-up

Mo
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Zharradan
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2002, 04:32:10 pm »

/me points to the edit button

I think the point being made was that he doesn't see "workaround decks" as a genuine answer: He sees type 1 as that game that you play with all the moxen, sol rings, lotuses (lotii?), etc.. and other decks that may well be competitive but lacking these are really just missing the point.

I think.

(not that I agree with this, but I can see where he is coming from)
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Green Knight
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2002, 04:47:26 pm »

Zharradan: Yeah I know about the edit button, but I didn't want that last post to go un-noticed by Carl, I was hopin' he could clear it up for me...
I see your point about the power cards, in these lay the "true power" of type one, but not all decks need them! (or at leased not all of them...sligh can run w/o the ruby, sui w/o the jet but IMO they would be better w/ the on color moxes and lotus). So i see what you are saying. Thanks.
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CrazyCarl
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2002, 05:12:39 pm »

Skill plays a huge factor in how good these unpowered decks are.  Just last weekend, I lent a local player my Sligh deck for him to play with in the tourney.  He beat a fully powered deck the round before he played me.  However, due to him being aboslutely terrible, he lost games he should have won to me.

For an example, i'd use Dave Kaplan- Skilled, unpowered(except for a ruby) and how does he do? VERY well.  So well in fact, the entire community is chock full of hate for his deck.

You can't give random.type2 player a Sligh or Sui deck and say "here, smash these fully powered decks, YOU CAN BE COMPETATIVE".  It's not how it works.  They need to learn how to play the matchups.  There are certain times you do certain things, in a certain way, and many people new to Type 1 don't know how to play these unpowered decks.

Teach them, and they will come  

Carl
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