Trinisphere, is it enough to restrict Mishra's Workshop....?

[Metabubbles]

  Honestly, Mishra's workshop make me sick.  I play keeper (aka, the deck, the restricted list, etc...) so any deck that uses the workshop(tnt, mud, etc...)gives me fits.  So my first answer would be yes, it is enough to restrict workshop.  

However it alone isn't enough to get the workshop restricted.  I think that trinisphere is the straw that broke the camels back.  How can anybody that works for DCI not agree that workshop is 'TOO' powerful.  1st turn sphere of resistance, tangle wire, smokestack (wow this card is amazing), metalworker, etc...the list goes on.  Now add trinisphere, it is time to restrict the ever powerful workshop.

Please don't   flame me saying that I want a more powerful deck than mine to get neutered so 'I' can win.  Workshop obviously hurts all deck types, parfait, suicide, mono-red (that deck kills me too....).  Come up with better argument please.

As a side note, the restriction of bazaar of baghdad is also needed.

In closing, what other arguments (for or against) can you think of to restrict 'MISHRA'S WORKSHOP' and 'BAZAAR OF BAGHDAD' ?

Thanks,

metabubbles

[BreathWeapon]

How about we restrict Manadrain?

[The Hamburgler]

*sigh* I am not flaming you but the meta needs to grow, not be restricted. Welder MUD or any other workshop-biased decks have not run rampant in the meta, and haven't won a tournament for quite some time. Dragon as well isn't unbeatable, it is hurt by graveyard hate, land hate, instant creature and enchantment destruction, although it is so strong, it has way to many weak points. So does MUD, except it gets destroyed by artfiact destruction. Trinisphere won't even be main decked in most builds, and will prbably not devastate the meta.

[MuzzonoAmi]

Workshop isn't distorting the metagame and isn't causing too much swing. It shouldn't be restricted, in fact, I fear the day it is.

[Toad]

Keeper > Mishra's Workshop.

Workshop obviously hurts all deck types, parfait, suicide, mono-red (that deck kills me too....). Come up with better argument please.

Or come up with better decks  

[jpmeyer]

OMG!  Turn 1 Tangle Wire!  That's game, boys!

[Prism]

any deck that uses the workshop(tnt, mud, etc...)gives me fits. So my first answer would be yes, it is enough to restrict workshop.

Come up with better argument please.

damn, you answer yourself.

[kakeboy07]

im still all about restriction of fow... and unrestriction of yawgmoths will and tolarian academy... what ever happened to that idea????

like was already said

Keeper > Mishra's Workshop.

[Lashkar]

I can't see trinisphere being all that baaad, if you "just" go workshop, trinisphere and your opponent goes "waste your workshop", then what, you hope to plop down another workshop or you plop down 1-mana lands the next couple of turns? :/. I mean, short of Smmenen/Turbo-tog, who doesn't pack at least 5 strips ?
It seems a lot like the "workshop, sphere(, mox), "waste your workshop"" start - not so hot when the opponent has that wasteland and the reason that most people aren't pulling it off very often, short of multiple workshops or jewelry-heavy draws. No doubt that trinisphere is a good card though and it's time to dust off the workshops and play prison again at at least the right tournament, not a bad thing  
But lets just take a look at what happens before we point out the next "doomsday" or "mind's desire" - well, forget the last one  .
At least I'd give the card some serious testing and look at T8s before screaming for restriction of the workshop.

[injectilio]

Tangle wire is only broken when followed up by turn 2 sphere when I'm holding cunning wish in my hand. Tangle wire is so synergistic with sphere.

[Danzig]

I think Workshop hasn't Distorted the metagame because of players having no access to them. It seems the only way to stop first turn Workshop / allyour artifacts is by having Force of Will. Sorry that won't fit in my SuicideBeing the land of my favorite character I still want to see it neutered. If this card was from a later set I feel it would be restricted due to everyone playing with them. I would.  

[Metabubbles]

First thank you for all your comments, I really thought I would get more support     oh well.  Here are some random answers, please find more questions,  you might actually change my mind.  Remember Bazaar of Baghdad = bob, and Mishra's Workshop = MW

1. Restrict Mana Drain? there is only one deck that uses mana drain, Mishra's at least 3 dominating decks.

2. Answer my own question?  No I am asking the forum.

3. Better decks? My humble opinion, there is no better deck than one that uses 4xMW.

4. Not distorting the meta/haven't won a tournament?  I don't know how hardcore type 1 people you must be to even say this?  follow this link  http://www.morphling.de/coverages/top8decks.php?id=92   1st place, 4xMW, 2nd place 4xbob, 4th place 4xbob

follow this link  http://www.morphling.de/coverages/top8decks.php?id=91
1st place, 4xMW, 2nd place, 4xMW, 3rd, 4xMW.

Not to beat a horse to death, but these are 'real' tourney's played with power against power, now add trinisphere, WOW!  Now I realize the links I provided show some keeper decks winning ( :lol: ) a few other tourney's, but not the most recent ones.  Is there a report that shows 4xMW missing from a top 3 tourney (recently)?  Thanks again for the input

[Laertes]

We can vote for our own answer now, before the trinishpere is even legal- but that isn't what is important.  Bueler and Co. will wait to see if there is any real evidence of trinisphere imbalancing the game and making it distorted.  If they arn't going to make-up their minds early, why should we?

[Plainswalker]

Mishra's Workshop isn't overpowered at all, trust me, I've had some for a while and the hate is so strong and powerful right now it makes it tough. Same goes for bazaar of baghdad, it's used in a easily hated combo deck (dragon) and aggro decks (Madness and Big O) so I don't see it being out of control either. Taking these two cards out would also totally take artifact decks out of the running which there are 3-4 varients or more right now, same goes for bazaar now. These abnormal cards make more many interesting decks right now.

1.) I believe he was joking, plus which one deck are you talking about? would that be Hulk Smash, Keeper, Scepter Keeper, Landstill or Slaver?

2.) He meant make your point, if we are to make ours, you didn't make yours sound like anything but frustration.

3.) This depends on whats in the area.

Also on a sidenote, cramming Trinsphere into Workshop decks is not the way to go, they are already overloaded as it is. Sphere is more powerful in some cases because the CC doesn't matter. There are many powerful 3 CC spells that this doesn't slow down that I'm afraid of. It is powerful, but not as much as people make it out to be. I still prefer Chalice for zero and a Sphere to deal with fast decks.

Edit: Yes, but you got more decks then I did, you sir are the better man  

[Mixing Mike]

1. Restrict Mana Drain? There is only one deck that uses Mana Drain, Mishira's at least 3 dominating decks.

Keeper, Hulk, U/R Phid, EBA, BBS and Chronic all play Mana Drains.  Mana Drain is far more powerful than Bazaar will ever be, as tempo is the most important factor of any game.  Sometimes a single Mana Drain will practactly set up the end of the game for your opponent by giving you SOOO much tempo that you can overcome board position and card advantage.

As for restricting Workshop, I'd seriously doubt they'll ever re-restrict it.

Bazaar of Baghdad is used in three decks as of now.  Big O, Dragon, and Madness.  That's two strong aggro decks, and one combo deck.  Dragon is very hard to *win with* so there's no arguement there.  Big O and Madness make the meta much more diverse by allowing for strong pure aggro decks.

[EDIT]: Plainswalker got the the Mana Drain comment before I did, heh.

[Dr. Sylvan]

WAIT before calling for ANY restriction. The set isn't even legal yet. Just be patient, and if it's broken, it'll get restricted. Simple.

[jpmeyer]

Oh no!  A new card came out!

[Plainswalker]

I was just reading Dr. Sylvan's quotes, JP's should be a new one  

I think the votes show how the people feel, lets just wait for Florida and I'm sure everything will be okay.

[Jacob Orlove]

Boo @ the mods who posted without closing this. Next time, test stuff out before calling for restrictions. It's not even near mind's desire level, so we'd need to wait for tournament data anyway.