Void Problems

[Anonymous]

I've built a void deck very similiar to the one in the primer and I've found that I don't have problems with "actual" T1 decks.  The normal sligh etc doesn't cause me problems.  But when I am playing random "bad" aggro decks I seem to get my butt kicked.  Wastelands are almost always dead draws when I see absolutely 0 nonbasics.  Should I keep them?

One particularly bad aggro deck is causing me a lot of problems.  This monored burn deck my friend has killed me.  It doesn't have any creatures and has a lot of mass creature removal and just burns me to death with one or two drop spells so ld and void don't really work too well against it.  Hyppies get burned away quickly and if I try to build up enough black mana for a shade to survive it seems I get to attack for two and save a lot of mana to ensure he survives my opponent's turn.  This of course isn't a very effective time clock against burn decks.  Any suggestions?

I am thinking about just making a new deck as I run into mostly aggro anyways.  What do you guys suggest?  I can probably only swing around $200 so decks that can't run unpowered are obviously not an option.  Thanks for any help.

[j_orlove]

If you want to play a control deck, parfait works well without power (just put in humility for moat, and plains/marble diamonds for power). You can also SB CoP: Red and other powerful hosers.

Oath of druids is also good, but probably more expensive than parfait (and it loses more if it doesn't have power).

White Weenie (see Zherbus's Holy Tommy Gun) is another good option against random bad aggro.

If you want to play combo, mono-black worldgorger dragon is sruprisingly cheap (and cheesy   )

What kind of deck do you want to play?

[upinthe]

Quote (Guest @ Nov. 21 2002,20:54)I've built a void deck very similiar to the one in the primer and I've found that I don't have problems with "actual" T1 decks.  The normal sligh etc doesn't cause me problems.  But when I am playing random "bad" aggro decks I seem to get my butt kicked.

What do you mean by very similar? You may be missing a key card or two. It would help if you posted your decklist. Remember, some cards are simply irreplaceable.

[Schmakt]

Quote Hyppies get burned away quickly and if I try to build up enough black mana for a shade to survive it seems I get to attack for two and save a lot of mana to ensure he survives my opponent's turn.

You might lose your Shade, but the better play might be to just hit him with the biggest guy you can and then just let him die.  Do that a couple of times, and you're fine.

How many Voids are you running?  4 Sinks + Strip + 3 Voids should help you get to the point where mono-red can only cast one spell per turn.  Are you running Mishra's Factories as well?  Leave your hippies and Shades out there as bolt bait... let him waste his burn on that.  Hopefully you can lay a few Mishra's, then get under the Void and just hit with the man-lands until he's dead.

Like upinthe said, you may want to post your full decklist - that would help alot.

[Anonymous]

It is Zherbus' deck missing power that was replaced by swamps.  Also one more powder keg dropping the consult.

[AliBaba]

As all the others have mentioned, posting your decklist and sideboard would help.  Your $200 might be better invested into adding a few cards to improve your Void deck.  This could cost you less than $200 if you are looking to save same cash.  Your sideboard might just need some help.  Some of the cards in your main deck will not be good against a creatureless burn deck and should be sided out.  You may just need to tweek your sideboard a little to improve the matchups in your metagame.

AliBaba

[Anonymous]

Zherbus'
3 Dystopia
4 Spinning Darkness
1 Powder Keg
3 Diabolic Edict
3 Masticore
1 Phyrexian Furnace

Mine is
2 Masticore
4 Contagion
3 Dystopia
4 Diabolic Edict
2 Tormod's Crypt

None of these cards in either sb are good against creatureless decks.  Only thing even semiviable is the masticore since it can regenerate.

[Schmakt]

Is the only deck you're having problems with the cheese red deck?
Generally, Void and Suicide are both pretty much tweaked to beat down on control.  I've found that Sligh is usually a pretty bad matchup for me when I'm playing mono-black, and it usually just comes down to a race. (and siding out Negators.)  If I can get a Void into play, tho, I'm usually ok.

If that one deck is giving you grief, you can always try adding a ZOrb to the sideboard, and Necro almost certainly needs to be removed post-sideboard.  Masticore, as you said, isn't a bad idea even after siding out Necro. (4 toughness + regenerate should give mono-burn some headaches)  You can maybe even try Phyrexian War Beast.  I tried it dispite Zherbus's warnings just to see what happened.  In general, I didn't like it, but vs. this particular deck it may help you a bit.

[Anonymous]

Thanks schmakt.  I never really thought about the zorb.  Pretty good idea w/ all the mana I can get sometimes w/o a void.

[Anonymous]

Revised my deck to be zherbus' list minus the power replaced by swamps.  However, the necro seems to be killing me.  I play in a mostly aggro environment and the necro seems like a wasted draw almost all of the time.  With this deck running so much mana it seems that I die often from drawing too few creatures for me to actually kill with.  I am wondering what (if I should) replace it with?  I am thinking about more creature control like a cursed scroll or soemthing.  Any ideas?

[Zherbus]

If Necro is killing you from being in an aggro field, I would try running Masticores maindeck over Shades, and in place of a Necro try a Disk.

[Anonymous]

Sorry about "upping" this old thread but figured it would be better than opening a new thread.  I am slowly going to power my void deck and I would like to know which should I go for first the jet or the lotus?  I am leaning on the jet because the deck seems to be constantly using up all the mana it can get instead of the lotus which is just for explosive starts and is not great mid to late game.  Any opinions?

[Schmakt]

I think you're right about the Jet.  Having the reusable source of black can be invaluable at times.  Lotus really shines off a Will, but that's the only time I'm really psyched to have it on the table.

[Zherbus]

I have to disagree with Schmakt on this. Lotus provides a MUCH more harsh early game than Mox Jet and late game, a top decked Mox Jet is really just another swamp (that can cost 3 to get out). Lotus is like cheating and playing with a 5th Dark Ritual, but a better Ritual.

FYI - You weren't upping at all  Double posting for purposes of bringing a thread to a noticible level is 'upping'.