Burning Forest

[Anonymous]

This deck has been called "jank" because to them they think that its too weak.  I can handle and control it real well.  I need you to prove wether it is "jank" or not.  Here is the deck:

12 mountain
12 forest
2 trained armodons
2 defenders of chaos
2 treetop bracers
2 scorching missiles
1 Balduvian barbarians
1 venomous dragonfly
1 venom
1 panther warriors
1 ghitu slinger
1 canopy spider
1 wall of dust
1 anaba bodygaurd
1 moment's peace
1 wing snare
1 wild wurm
1tremor
1 rootbreaker wurm
1 fit of rage
1 magnify
1 viashino warrior
1 armor of thorns
1 giant spider
1 plated spider
1 uthden troll
1 magistrate's veto
1 keldon Warlord
1 wall of fire
1 pyrotechnics
1 viashino cutthroat

Os_vegeta, don't send anything here because you called it jank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rebel428]

No offense, but I'm gonna have to agree with Vegeta.  This is little more than a pile of bad cards; there is absolutely no focus in the deck, it has nothing but creatures, and very few (if any) of those creatures are actually anywhere near decent. You have nothing but expensive creatures with pretty much no way to get them into play quickly.  On top of that, you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO consistency because you only run one or two of anything.  Your mana base sucks, since you have several creatures with dual green in the casting cost.

Again, no offense, but please learn how to build a deck and then come back.

[Anonymous]

what if i add some inexpensive creatures and some drawing more card abilities? I have three more decks that perfom great.  What could i add that makes this deck better but remains the same idea?

[Os-Vegeta]

Erhm, looks like I have some explaining to do....

This is my next-door neighbor posting.  I recently got him into MtG (we play a lot of casual games together as I'm trying to teach him the basics and stuff) and he's pretty new to the game yet.  He's interested in competitive T1, so I referred him to Mana Drain to look at the primers here, and I pushed the Stompy one since that's the best for learning the basics on.  

The deck above is his first attempt at building a deck, and yes I did say it was janky. That's because I worked with him on building better decks than that which used much better cards from his collection (though not even those decks could be competitive, but one is similar to the basic principles in Sligh and Stompy).  I'm saying this 'cause I really don't want any flaming against him (or me for putting down another player's deck).

[upinthe]

Quote (Guest @ Dec. 02 2002,16:53)What could i add that makes this deck better but remains the same idea?

Whats the idea? As far as I can tell, you have just thrown a bunch of cards together from various sets. If you want my advice, you should go for smaller creatures and cheaper burn spells. Enchant Creutures other than rancor are useless in Type 1. Walls have no place, either

Here are some cards that you definitely need in there:

Taiga, Sol Ring, Strip Mine, Lightning Bolt, Regrowth, Wheel of Fortune

If you don't have these, then they would be good things to try and get. Most of them, except Taiga, aren't very expensive to acquire.

Here are some cards to consider from red, green, and artifacts:

Chain Lightning, Incinerate, Cursed Scroll, Kird Ape, Rancor, Blurred Mongoose, Sylvan Library, Wasteland, Wooded Foothills, Karplusan Forest,

[Anonymous]

This deck is jank you proved me wrong i will trash the deck and start over.

Thanks for your help
~rigon~

[Puschkin]

Wait! Before you do that:
If you are really totally new I suggest to first do your own steps with this deck! Seriously, what you need the most is experience, and this comes from playing. Additionally you learn faster if you make mistakes. This may be a painful way but it is the most efficient. So play with your deck, no matter how janky it is, and learn from the mistakes. You´ll have to discover certain things on your own to fully comprehend them.

Lucky thing that you have someone to teach you. Ask Os-Vegeta to playagainst your deck and Os-Vegeta, please use a moderate deck first, not your best, maybe a casual white weenie. Then analyze the problems of Rigon´s deck and work on them, but address only one problem each time and don´t exchange more than 8 cards each time, play against your deck again and repeat. That way he makes little steps, gathers experience and grasps the concepts, also he will have many little successes along this way, something you need while starting!

Then I have a personal thingy to ask you:
I have written two documents that I wish you two to "test":
*one is an old one posted on old BD, it features three decks designed to teach someone magic, with your exact configuration: One veteran player teaching a newbie.

*the other one is a primer on deckbuilding dedicated to ábsolute beginners. It is a beta version and the sample example deck is missing and it´s only the first part but I need feedback on that document.

I ask you two to at least read it, especially the last one. Would you do this? This offer is of course or others, who might read this, too, just ask here.

email me at THIS adress (the address in my profile is at work):

pusch_kin@web.de

[Anonymous]

But everyone says theres too many problems.
Im going to create a new deck and work out its problems.  I'll have Os_Vegeta use a ble counter deck and see how my deck would defand against it.  I will try to have it keep the same idea though.  The idea (like asked above) is to use a Red/green deck.

[Rebel428]

You're on the right track now.  In general, try to stay with one to three mana threats.  I'll add more later; I'm at school right now so my time is limited here.

[Anonymous]

I meant above that i was going to make a Red/green deck.  I will download apprentice and duel on the net.  But first I must make a worthy deck to use.  I'm adding finishing touches on the deck.  I'm not sure wether it will be posted on here or under a new Topic but I need you to rate it for me.  Remember I'm a casual player and don't have tons of great/good cards.  I'm using what I have.  Please don't criticize too much.  (I'm sorry for spelling).  Like what Rebel 428 said:
[/QUOTE]Learn One Mistake at a time

I want to create decks that get fixed little by little to see if it is getting to much for me too handle with my experience.

Thanks for yor help.

[Os-Vegeta]

Yeah, the blue deck he's talking about is based on the same kind of principle as Fish, and he has red and green creatures  that are mostly 1-drops, so those can be used.

[Anonymous]

Here's the Red/White deck:

13 mountain
13 plains
2 tundra wolves
2 Nomad en-kor
3 raging goblins
2 mogg conscripts
2 mob justices
2 Reckless charge
2 fit of rage
2 stone rain
2 lightning blast
2 Icatian infantry
2 honor gaurds
1 blood frenzy
1 blood lust
1 recklless abandon
1 knight errant
1 capashen knight
1 kris mage
1 goblin bombardment
1 flailing soldier
1 firebolt
1 mountain goat
1 skyshroud falcon


I hope that this deck seems alot better because Os-Vegeta helped alot to make it.  Thanks Vegeta!
   

This deck Has no name.  Again this is within my experience range.  I can handle it and remember, I don't have that great of cards.  Soon I can buy a deck that has great cards in it and Os says that hell modify it to suit my capabilities.

[Anonymous]

*he'll

[Os-Vegeta]

Yeah, I know it's a ton of one-ofs...  but that's the best I could do with what he had... :/  none of us around my area have too much money to play with... sadly.  I'm going to make a couple modifications to Dave Kaplan's Sligh build since his is so metagamed against control, and Rigon likes Sligh and I think he could learn well on it eventually.  However, we will still work on his "Burning Forest" deck as a learning experience.

[Rebel428]

If you guys really have an incredibly small card pool, I suggest buying bulk cards.  A good site for this is www.gamingetc.com.  They have 50 random rares for US$19.95 and 1000 assorted cards for US$27.95.  Many newbies in my area started by buying one of each of these, and were able to build surprisingly decent decks from those cards (along with unneeded commons I donated them).

EDIT: By the way, that deck is MUCH better than the one you first posted.  Keep it up!

[Matt The Great]

Twenty-six land seems like a lot for a deck consisting of mostly one-drops.

[Puschkin]

I like the second deck alot, a good base to work with. Do you have Ication Javelineers? Maybe include at least some creatures bigger than what you have. He´ll be limited to inexpensive, small stuff soon enough anyways.

[Anonymous]

Twenty-six land seems like a lot for a deck consisting of mostly one-drops.

Well their deck could consist of stone rains, but i think that its okay to take out some and modify it a little later because what Os said is true.  It's hard to find money around here.  currently I am saving to buy the cards for Sligh.  Os said that I could most likely control and win( in a matter of time with practice). I'll need to buy some Ication Javelineers.
      

[Os-Vegeta]

Matt:  I made it 26 lands to basically fill the gap of cards he lacked.  The deck never seemed to get mana flooded, but it can afford to lose some land for more burn etc...

[Anonymous]

Just take him to the local store (if you have one).

Most players will give away commons, some uncommons, even the less desirable rares even.

If he can somehow get the 4 RW duals, maybe throw in Glory's if he can find them.

[Anonymous]

Typo up there.

I meant the card that gives +1/+1 to ALL creatures you control for 1WW.

Glorious Anthem I believe.

[Anonymous]

As far as i know, there isn't a store around here that sells magic cards.

I just want to say thanks for all of your help.  This deck has become the greatest deck that i own (out of three).  Thanks again for all of your help.  

This deck ,for me, is very slow.  It does get the job done but I would not recommend  this deck against a mono-blue.  I took it against a friend of mine (not Os) and he had the blue deck.  Later in the game  I was at 3 and he was at 4.  He had 6 creatures in play and i had 4. Three of them were tapped.  He had a 9/9 anthroplasm out with 5 other creatures.  I used a Lightning blast and he countered.  He had attacked me with the anthroplasm, and i blocked.  He had enough creatures out to yet kill me.  All I was drawing was creatures and no land.  If it was quicker with the mana it would be better and I could have one.  Like I said earlier, Thanks for all of your help in the remodeling of the Burning Forest.  

          I am going to get Legend's "Red Stompy", at least I think that's what is called.  It did well on apprentice against a regular stompy deck.  Turn 4 kill against the regular Stompy.  The deck runs me about $89 + shipping.

    

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