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Crater Hellion
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« on: November 25, 2003, 02:21:49 pm » |
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This is the first magic related article I've written, and I really would like to continue. I didn't expect it to be excellent, as it was basically the first non-academic piece of writing I've done, but I would really appreciate feeback! http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=6244 |
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Gradek
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2003, 02:34:32 pm » |
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I was going to reply to the article on SCG, but I did not have an user ID. I thought the article was very well written and although dragon was budget when you were able to get 4 Bazaars for $50 it probably is not now.
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Moridar
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 02:36:56 pm » |
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Same here!!! I thought it was a well thought out article and nicely put.
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Crater Hellion
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2003, 02:38:20 pm » |
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Thanks for the nice words.
One note however- I did not post my budget budget dragon list, as I am still working heavily on it. I do intend to write another article focusing solely on that deck if this one is accepted, and if the dec. restrictions do not ruin my deck.
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Chaos Blade
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 02:43:21 pm » |
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Good job. I loved the article. For a fact I bookmarked it and printed it . So what would you play for an Mono Black Reanimator and Mono Black Dragon without Bazaars.
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Diddler
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 02:44:15 pm » |
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Well written article. I enjoyed reading it.
Other than the Dragon section, I had hoped for a bit more from the others. It seemed like deck lists without discussion, which isn't the worst thing in the world
I hope you write again!
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BuboniC
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 02:54:02 pm » |
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I think your article was "l33t"- Congrats on the fact that ghetto people like us can make money and make budget decks . But anyways I thought you emphasized on dragon a bit more(Gee i wonder why) than the other decks , good read tho, thanks for making better decks than most in that budget T1 thread .
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blue_negator
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 02:58:47 pm » |
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couple of criticisms - Imo you have to have at least some power to play blue based control. Not having moxen/lotus, ancestral, timewalk, or even mana drains significantly lowers the power of blue based control. I can see parfait and to a lesser extent budget stax as being viable control decks but blue based control just loses too much without power. Something that I don't believe you mentioned was how viable each of those decks would be in specific metagames/tourneys. If you are going into a powered metagame with an unpowered budget deck there are "very" few decks that are actually viable. If you are going into a semi powered/budget metagame with a budget deck you suddenly have many more "viable" decks to choose from. And finally the types of decks that are viable in a 5 proxy tournament is significantly different then the types of decks that are viable in a no proxy tournament.
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BuboniC
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2003, 03:11:02 pm » |
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Quote (blue_negator @ Nov. 25 2003,11:58) Something that I don't believe you mentioned was how viable each of those decks would be in specific metagames/tourneys. If you are going into a powered metagame with an unpowered budget deck there are "very" few decks that are actually viable. If you are going into a semi powered/budget metagame with a budget deck you suddenly have many more "viable" decks to choose from. Thats the point, in a highly powered meta, with mud's, Long and keeper flying around, Fish would be a house with Null Rod. In a not so powered meta, mud would be the best budget deck. I hope you misunderstood what he ment, because what you said made absolutely no sense, you made it sound like his decks were bad in the wrong envirement, well some of them are and some arent. Thats why you choose the right deck for not just you, but your envirement too. |
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blue_negator
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2003, 03:46:32 pm » |
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Quote (BuboniC @ Nov. 25 2003,12:11) Quote (blue_negator @ Nov. 25 2003,11:58) Something that I don't believe you mentioned was how viable each of those decks would be in specific metagames/tourneys. If you are going into a powered metagame with an unpowered budget deck there are "very" few decks that are actually viable. If you are going into a semi powered/budget metagame with a budget deck you suddenly have many more "viable" decks to choose from. Thats the point, in a highly powered meta, with mud's, Long and keeper flying around, Fish would be a house with Null Rod. In a not so powered meta, mud would be the best budget deck. I hope you misunderstood what he ment, because what you said made absolutely no sense, you made it sound like his decks were bad in the wrong envirement, well some of them are and some arent. Thats why you choose the right deck for not just you, but your envirement too. Whats the point? I see you making the point here but I didn't find the point in the article. Granted I didn't analyze the article in depth but I didn't see much mentioning of the "right deck for the right metagame/tourney" I was talking about. I think you're the one that misunderstood what I meant. I didn't misunderstand anything. I didn't write my post in reply to myself misunderstanding his article. I simply stated my opinion, I'm not arguing against him in any way. From what I can derive from your post you're indicating that my misunderstanding stems from me thinking that his decks are bad in the wrong environment? If that's the case then maybe I am "misunderstanding" something because I "am" saying those decks would be bad in the wrong environment. |
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BreathWeapon
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2003, 05:13:10 pm » |
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Isn't it time we removed anything with Bazaar of Baghdad from the Budget list? Even Madness can be played with out Bazaar, and it should have a good game in scrub environments.
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Crater Hellion
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2003, 05:14:35 pm » |
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One note however- I did not post my budget budget dragon list, as I am still working heavily on it. I do intend to write another article [about dragon sans bazaars] focusing solely on that deck if this one is accepted, and if the dec. restrictions do not ruin my deck.
Hmm seems like I already posted that..?
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g0dzillA
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2003, 06:07:15 pm » |
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Good article Crater Hellion. The only question I have is about the Sui Black decklist... don't you think six Contagions in the side is going just a bit too far?
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MTG_Djinn
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2003, 07:19:01 pm » |
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What can I say? NICE JOB[/i][/u]
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snotball007
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2003, 08:05:57 pm » |
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Very good. Surprisingly well written. Rivals my own work (even though mine wasnt magic related). The only thing I saw was redunancy sometimes just with post mirrodin decklists (scepter + chalice). But then again, it is true. Oh, and some of the decklists could have been better researched, like parfait. But who plays that anyway?
All in all............did better than does with
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Comrade Seraph
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2003, 10:31:58 pm » |
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Nice article... great to see budget being covered. One quibble, though -
For U/R phid, no Keg OR bounce? So this is a deck that scoops to such first turn powerhouses such as:
Kird Ape
Rogue Elephant
Skyshroud Elite (depending)
etc etc etc?
+1 Boomerang/1 Capsize SB seems appropriate.
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