yay...

[CyberKnight]

yay

[xrizzo]

What a simple deck.  How in the world did that get passed up this whole time?

Job well done.

Next contest will be absolutely CRAZY.

[wonkey_donkey]

OK, I think some of my matchups are wrong.   Here are what I think my results should be. I've *d the ones that I think are wrong.

Vs Cyberknight: 2-2.
Sanctuary comes into play before I can pox.

Vs LoA: 0-6.
He plays the hatchling first turn, which I can't stop by poxing as he gets his 2nd creature out in time.

Vs Thissa: 6-0.*
He gets the tongs out as soon as possible, but I can then kill him in time by poxing, discarding my spirit which comes back again in my next upkeep, killing him before his tongs kill me.

Vs Dr Sylvan: 6-0.
Pox wins.

Le'lolith: 6-0.*
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Le Ptit Poula: 2-2.
If I pox, he can discard his elf and then swords my spirit. If I don't, he can play savannah and swords the spirit instead. No-one does anything, making it a draw.

Vs r_x_: 6-0.*
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Vs Laurie Cheers: 0-6.
He gets both his land down and the tongs kill me whilst the maze of Ith keeps the spirit from killing him.

Vs Lunk: 6-0.
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Vs kakeboy07: 6-0.*
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Vs virtual: 0-6.
The greener pastures kills me - the spirit doesn't help me, and he can simply sac the used woodlot to pox.

Vs Timebeing: 6-0.*
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Vs Stalag13: 6-0.
Spirit kills him, as if he plays the researchers then pox kills them too.

Vs Morefling: 2-2
Damn mox...   the mox won't vanish to pox, so if he holds the momma then I can't kill him with pox.

Vs Stax: 0-6.
I'm 1 turn too slow, he plays the hatchling and tremble finishes me.

Vs Jedit: 6-0.*
I play the spirit and kill him, as he can't play his land without dying.

Vs Pinky: 6-0.*
When he gives me the sleeper agent, I can sac it to the pox. This puts a card in his graveyard, getting rid of the energy field and leaving the spirit to kill him. Doing nothing doesn't help, nor does holding the agent, as pox will make him discard which gets rid of the somewhat annoying energy field.

Vs Xrizzo: 6-0.*
He can't play the angel without it getting poxed away, and if he doesn't do anything then the spirit kills him.

I think my calculations are accurate, giving me a score of 72. Doesn't change the top 2 places, but hey, it'd be nice to get a 3rd place. Please let me know where I go wrong, if I do so. Remember pox gets rid of lands, hands, and creatures, and CIP tapped lands lose, generally.

Tom

[Virtual]

"I think two of my matchups are incorrect:

3 . Thissa - pleasebeslow.dec - Dwarven Hold , Ali from Cairo , Scalding Tongs

According the to table, I lose this, but he can't ever kill me because of my sheltered valley.  so we should split draws, 2/2, not 0/6.

2 . LoA - Here's hoping there's more aggro than control: - Thran Quarry , Stormscape Apprentice , Roc Hatchling

This one is quite a bit more complicated.  I think I should win this matchup 6/0 though, not lose 0/6.  

Lets prove it by showing I win if he goes first.

He casts his Roc (4 turns until its a 3/3).
I play my green land tapped.
He casts his apprentice. (3 on roc)
I play my valley, and the pastures.
He uses his apprentice. (I'm at 19) (2 on roc)
I gain my life and 1 token.  (20 life, 1 token)
Now comes where he has a choice.  Either he can block my token as early as possible to try to trade his stormscape for an apprentice and try to race me with the roc, or he can just let me keep hitting him.  (It makes sense that if he's going to block it, he should block it early, because then that token will do the least amount of damage to him for its existance)

If he chooses to let me hit him, then he uses his apprentice. (I'm at 19) (1 on roc)
I gain my life, and 1 token, and attack for 1(20 life, 2 tokens, he's at 19)
He uses his apprentice, and attacks with the roc.  (I'm at 16)
I gain my life, and 1 token, and attack for 2(17 life, 3 tokens, he's at 17)
He uses his apprentice + attacks with the roc (I'm at 13)
I gain my life and 1 token, and attack for 3(14 life, 4 tokens, he's at 14)
He uses his apprentice + attacks with the roc (I'm at 10)
I gain my life and 1 token, and attack for 4(11 life, 5 tokens, he's at 10)
He uses his apprentice + attacks with the roc(I'm at 7)
I gain my life and 1 token, and attack for 5(8 life, 6 tokens, he's at 5)
He attacks, etc.  (I'm at 4)
On my turn, I hit him for 6, leaving me at 5 after my lifegain.  

Ok, thats the first.  The 2nd case is if he chooses to block early.  
In that case lets recap:

His turn:  I'm at 20, with 1 token, he's at 20, with 1 token on the roc.

So he passes.
On my turn, I gain my life, and attack for 1.  He blocks, and activates his apprentice pinging me with his dying breath.  
I now have 1 token, and 20 life, as before.
He goes, and attacks me for 3. (17/20)
I gain + have 2 tokens.  Attack for 1(18/19)
He goes and attacks me for 3(15/19)
I gain + have 3 tokens.  Attack for 2(16/17)
He attacks for 3. (13/17)
I gain + have 4 tokens.  Attack for 3(14/14)
He attacks for 3. (11/14)
I gain + have 5 tokens.  Attack for 4(12/10)
He attacks for 3(9/10)
I gain + have 6 tokens.  Attack for 5(10/5)
He attacks for 3(7/5)
I gain + have 7 tokens.  Attack for 6.(8/-1)

Anyways, so I hope I'm not missing anything.  These things are a real biotch to calculate.  Thanks for bein cool Cyberknight.  (Also I like your tech in the tortise format).

So hopefully +8 for Virtual which will mean I take 2nd.  

On the last note.  Are you going to update the 3cb hall of fame?
=D

-Virtual

[CyberKnight]

@ Wonkey Donkey: All the matchups you claim are wrong come down to this: Your opponent doesn't do shit untill you pox. They discard one, after which they play their land, and somehow disable your kill, using StP, Ali or whatever. Yay, I calculate some difficult matches right as well

@Virtual:
VS Thissa: I am an a$$, will correct when I get home.
VS LoA: Will calculate again when I get home.

Tortoise  
Let's see if we ever reach Googol there

Maybe I will update the hall of fame when I have the time for that. Today I finally completed the correction of my report for my short internship, maybe after an exam wednesday morning I have some time to edit in the winners of the last 3CB's.

BTW: I need more entry's for our "broken" format. I dare someone to play Black Lotus + double twister to try to get über-draw tech

[wonkey_donkey]

Yes, but I don't have to play the pox first. If they do nothing, I make sure I have 6 counters on the hangar, before playing the spirit. If they then try and get rid of it, they will lose because I can then pox. Otherwise, they lose to the spirit. The difference is always that they cannot swords immediately, as they are using storage lands or something. Hence I beat most people, but I can only draw with Le ptit poula as he can play his savannah and disable the spirit before I can pox. As long as I hold the pox until they take some action, I'll win.

[r_x_]

Broken Format, I must say.

[Josti]

New one is very Br0ken  

[Le_Ptit_Poula]

OMFG! I didn't remember I was actually in that thing, but I was following it since 3CB # 16, how fun .

[Jacob Orlove]

I'm looking forward to the new one. I actually entered. Oldschool tech 4L!

[wonkey_donkey]

damn.... beaten by someone who forgot they were in it. How embarrassing.    Ah well, the next set of decks should prove somewhat interesting...

[Le_Ptit_Poula]

I agree! I think most deck will lock opponent on turn 1. So they will always draw... Well see with time I guess...

Edit : I submitted my deck for the broken 3cb.

[CyberKnight]

@ Virtual, I calculated your matchup VS LoA again, and this is my conclusion: I forgot the sheltered valley can create mana, and thus you can kill one turn quicker then I calculated at first, so you can win on your 11th turn, if nothing happens. However, you made a mistake as well, as his apprentice can damage you with its ability. A turn 1 roc drop will result in a turn 11 kill if nothing happens. You have a sheltered valley, but that one is negated by the apprentice, so LoA wins his turn 11. Result: 3-3

Edited the other wrong matches as well.

I am wondering what the outcome of our broken season will be. Entrys will probably end around 30 november or so.

Edit: If checking the calculation of your matchups, it is usually easier to think in turns than in actual damage. Just calculate when you and your opponent can win, and then look if the losing player can distort this turn of killing in his advantage.\n\n

[wonkey_donkey]

Anyone got any ideas as to what the format should be after this one? I'm assuming the "no banned list" format isn't particuarly sustainable, as there are only going to be a certain number of decks that can compete. What about a type 2 event, except that all lands are permitted, or something like that? Could prove interesting... just a thought. Or maybe a kind of BYOB format, where you have to have 1 card from a big expansion set (are they still called "stand-alone" sets?) and then 1 from each of the smaller sets. Along those lines, we could do a basic set only 3CB. If anyone has any ideas, please post them.

Broken format actually proved quite interesting in deckbuilding though, trying to think of something that can avoid losing playing second, whilst still winning playing first. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be at first.   Out of interest, how many entries do you have at the moment?

[Virtual]

@ Cyberknight


Hey Cyberknight, re-read my post.  I don't think I forgot that he can ping me with his apprentice.  If, with his ROC, he kills me on turn 11, and my sheltered valley cancels out his apprentice, then I should win because I can kill on my 9th turn.  Shouldn't I win both?  I laid it out (in that post above), and I don't think that I missed anything.  If you look at the post I broke it into 2 parts.  #1 where he pings me with his apprentice, and #2 where he blocks with his apprentice.  Either way I had me winning.  Could you read my post and find the discrepancy?  Thanks.

-Virtual

[CyberKnight]

@Wonkey_donkey: I think it will be nice to do br0ken 3CB once more after the first time, so everyone knows what the meta is, and I think there could be some nice changes once everyone knows what is good

@Virtual: Damn, as I forgot the valley produces mana, I assumed you used storage tech to play the pastures. When I discovered the valley does produce mana, I substracted 1 turn from your kill (as with storage, you could drop turn 4 instead of 5). After your last post however, I thought it would be logical for you to play the 2-counters land, so indeed, your kill decreases by an additional 2 turns. I recalced, and come to the conclusion that you win both ways. Blocking with the apprentice will slow your kill by one turn, but LoA's kill by 2 or 3 or so (because of the lower damage of the roc), so that won't work. So you will outrace LoA in both matches: 6-0

[Jacob Orlove]

No, I'm pretty sure one iteration of pure brokenness will be enough. A second tournament where everyone plays my deck is just unnecessary. :p

[Le_Ptit_Poula]

And what is this deck supposed to be?  

[Jacob Orlove]

Quote (Le_Ptit_Poula @ Nov. 23 2003,22:26)And what is this deck supposed to be?  

You'll see when the results are compiled. All I can say at this point is that it would beat even most of the early decks 6-0.

[Virtual]

"Jacob,
  I wouldn't be surprised if 1/2 the people play your deck.  (Rather my deck =D).   Anyways, I guess my point is, I think we're playing the same thing, I guess we'll see.
-Virtual

[Jacob Orlove]

Quote (Virtual @ Nov. 24 2003,06:57)"Jacob,
  I wouldn't be surprised if 1/2 the people play your deck.  (Rather my deck =D).   Anyways, I guess my point is, I think we're playing the same thing, I guess we'll see.
-Virtual

Yeah, but I gave it the best name. =P

[CmdrSam]

Man, if only Unglued were allowed, my

Black Lotus
Black Lotus
The Cheese Stands Alone

deck would be pretty good...

--Sam L-L

[Laurie_Cheers]

More matchup corrections:

Against Virtual I draw both games. (Both decks have two lands, so Greener Pastures does nothing; and Sheltered Valley counteracts my Tongs.)

Against Timebeing I lose both games. (Luminous Angel makes more Spirits than I can stop.)

Jedit going first against Virtual is a draw, I think. (Pastures makes one saproling a turn, enough to stop the Toolbox, but they can't afford to attack.)

[CyberKnight]

27 entrys and counting
Entrys come in every day, maybe we can reach a new record for 3CB this time. Best of it all is that most matches are easy as hell to calculate, and I can copy loads of results, as there are multiple entrys with the same cards. So try to come up with cool decknames to divide yourself from the masses  

Edit: @Laurie:
Virtual VS Jedit: The toolbox doesn't trample. So there are two simple solutions to this problem. If Jedit attacks every turn, virtual will let the toolbox go to the dome until he has 2 critters. With the first he can attack, with the second (replaced every turn) he can chump Jedits critter. If jedit doesn't attack, virtual creates a massive army, and swings for the win

9 VS 12: You are right, changed.
9 VS 13: You are right, changed.\n\n

[Virtual]

"So I decided to mix it up.  We aren't playing the same deck anymore Jacob, mhuhahahaha.  But I bet we were.  

On another note, I had a few comments.  I don't think that there needs to be another unrestricted 3cb after this one.  It's cool, but I think it would be more fun to just pick a new format each week so people can come up with new tech And have to guess at the meta.

Also, I had one other idea that would make for a fun 3cb.  Only basic lands allowed.  Also, we could do block tournaments, only creatures + lands, etc.  

I vote we mix it up after this one.  Just my 3c about 3cb.  

-Virtual

[xrizzo]

I agree - this format is fun once.  You can either choose to win every game possible, or split every game possible.

Future formats will be great if we make interesting guidelines.  All basic lands is probably a good start - but there are many other variations yet to be explored.  I wouldn't oppose multiple tournaments under the same guidelines with minor adjustments to the banned list.

As for this 3CB, I think it will mainly be about who has the coolest deck name - and other factors which we can discuss after results are tabulated.

[r_x_]

I think thisisgoodtime to ask: DOes anyone intressed 4cb other than me? If there are, atleast 5 others I could start running tournaments..

[MoreFling]

At least I will be playing my (signature 3cb) deck.

 

[Laurie_Cheers]

27 entries is enough, right? Let's have the results soon, please! Because I'll be really interested to see if I made the right metagame decision.

It would be so annoying if I've worked out what the 'best' deck is, and picked the deck that beats it, but nobody else has found it, so I would have been better off playing that deck myself...  

[CyberKnight]

Results may be posted sunday evening (dutch time), but no guarantees, as I am playing in a tourney sunday. About the next 3CB, I think only basic land allowed is quite a nice format for the next one. So start thinking of new  t3ch