Okay, were having a tuorney in 2 weeks, where you can use...

[crshibby]

Okay, were having a tuorney in 2 weeks, where you can use 4 of anything.(I forgot what the offical name is). Turbonevy is so fun to play and with 4x Fastbond, 4x Enlightened Tutor, and things like that it's almost a consistan first turn kill even without power. Of course, I have no power, but this is what I came up with.

0cc//
2x Zuran Orb

1cc//
4x Duress
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Brainstorm
4x Fastbond
2x Exploration
4x Enlightened Tutor

2cc//
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Sickening Dreams
3x Merchant Scroll
1x Regrowth
1x Burning Wish

3cc//
1x Yawgmoth's Will
4x Horn of Greed

4cc//

5cc//
4x Gush

lands//
4x Flooded Strand
4x Tundra
4x Tropical Island
4x Underground Sea
3x Gemstone Mine
2x Underscovered Paradise
2x Glaciam Chasm

sb//*maybe*
1x Sickening dreams
1x Tendrals of Agony
4x REB
2x Zantid Swarm
7x Other


Thats it for now...
I need comments, I want to make the deck as fun as possible and still have the win.

-THANKS-

[Smash]

How can this beat turbo academy? First turn win every time and FoW as backup...

[Tripps]

Purple Rasberry Slurpee is what I would play.

//NAME: Untitled Deck
// BROKEN
        3 Yawgmoth's Will
        4 Demonic Consultation
        4 Demonic Tutor
        4 Mind's Desire
        4 Ancestral Recall
        3 Time Spiral
        3 Timetwister
        3 Tendrils of Agony
// Mana Sources
        4 Dark Ritual
        4 Lion's Eye Diamond
        4 Black Lotus
        4 Lotus Petal
        4 Mox Jet
        4 Mox Sapphire
        4 Mana Crypt
        4 Tolarian Academy


This thing can go through a lot of disruption, and if I had a board, I'd probably put 4 Negator, 4 FoW, 4 Duress, Some Chain of Vapor/hurkyl's Recall/Crumble etc. to deal with Chalice or Null Rod, and then go off.


This is basically 100% turn one kill ratio as long as you don't keep horrid hands, but of course theres always the chance that they get mroe disruption than you can handle and/or mulligan down to too few cards.

I think this was created for someone who was playing in an unrestricted t1 tourney with proxies, and if I remember, VGB and Jacob Orlove were main contributors to the deck.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Quote (Tripps @ Dec. 07 2003,02:36)Purple Rasberry Slurpee is what I would play.

This thing can go through a lot of disruption, and if I had a board, I'd probably put 4 Negator, 4 FoW, 4 Duress, Some Chain of Vapor/hurkyl's Recall/Crumble etc. to deal with Chalice or Null Rod, and then go off.

I think he's looking for a budget deck, which this is not.

Smash is correct, you should play some variety of full-on, 4x Academy stupidity. PT Rome 98 is your search term; use it wisely. Most of the cards are Saga and restricted, so they're not that expensive and people might have some lying around. Those decks are sick; and would be better than your initial list by quite a bit.

Type Zero is so pointless, even without Power. I don't understand why stores bother running that crap.

[Lime]

Definately use Tolarian Academy along with the broken inexpensive artifacts if your looking to play competitive.  Something like:

Mana:
4 Tolarian Academy
4 Underground Sea
4 Sol Ring
4 Mana Crypt
4 Lotus Petal
4 Cromatic Sphere
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Dark Ritual
2 Mana Vault

Draw:
4 Minds Desire
4 Tinker
4 Memory Jar
4 Windfall
4 Brainstorm

Protection:
4 Force of Will

Kill:
2 Tendrils

[Sytupal]

how about black winter from like forever and a half ago?   4 necropotence, 4 ivory tower, a shitload of counter with some stifle goodness and a win condition.

[Fastbond]

Use blacker lotus, jack in the mox, mox crystal, and contract from below.

[Tripps]

Quote (Dr. Sylvan @ Dec. 07 2003,01:35)

Quote (Tripps @ Dec. 07 2003,02:36)Purple Rasberry Slurpee is what I would play.

This thing can go through a lot of disruption, and if I had a board, I'd probably put 4 Negator, 4 FoW, 4 Duress, Some Chain of Vapor/hurkyl's Recall/Crumble etc. to deal with Chalice or Null Rod, and then go off.

I think he's looking for a budget deck, which this is not.

Smash is correct, you should play some variety of full-on, 4x Academy stupidity. PT Rome 98 is your search term; use it wisely. Most of the cards are Saga and restricted, so they're not that expensive and people might have some lying around. Those decks are sick; and would be better than your initial list by quite a bit.

Type Zero is so pointless, even without Power. I don't understand why stores bother running that crap.

The ones that are unrestricted usually let you use as many proxies as you want, because most people don't bother picking up more than 1 copy of a restricted card, and amybe a few copies for trading.

[Crater Hellion]

Quote (crshibby @ Dec. 07 2003,01:43)Of course, I have no power, but this is what I came up with.

I think this statement answers the question- there probably aren't proxies allowed.

[Mike D]

where is this tounrey it looks so much fun. I want to play slurpee so bad, this is a great chance.

[crshibby]

Okay, to everyone...

SMASH- Can you give me a decklist of turboacademy? How consistant is the first turn kill?

TRIPPS- I have no power, because it's not a consistant t1 enviornment. We switch up every week, most people like playing t2.(which I hate). We can't use proxies, so that deck's no good. Also with 4 of every power any deck gould go off first turn, no question.


DR. SYLVAN- I'll check out that search and see what I can find out, and get back with a decklist of some kind. This is the first time we've done type 0, it was my sugestion, just because I wanted to play turbonevy again. It should be fun.

LIME- It doesn't matter what you play in my enviornment, if your a good player the deck is competetive. (A lot of kids)

SYTUPAL- That is a good deck, but I know someelse is gonna play it. Turbonevyn is something they've never saw.

FASTBOND- We can't use Unglued, or anny cards.

MIKE D- lol, it's in Dickson, Tennessee, at a place called Blackthorn. It used to be a big place to play, the invintationals used to be held there, until other places closer to where more people lived; they didnt have to drive so far. If you live anywhere close, come. It will be fun to play some new faces. ANYONE WHO LIVES CLOSE COME. If you need directions ask me, and I'll do the best I can.

Thanks for the posts.

[Tripps]

I've never heard of Dickson, where about in Tennessee is it? I'm located in Knoxville, myself and a friend of mine might drop by.

[crshibby]

It's in middle Tn...
It's simple to get there from knoxville.
I 40 W, exit 182 to Dickson (this is hwy 96), left on hwy 70 (96 dead ends at 70), look for Blackthorn immediately on the left. AS SOON AS YOU TURN ON 70 LOOK FOR IT ON THE LEFT, IT'S WITHIN 1 MIN OF TURNING.
Its a small store on the right end of some other stores...theres like a fingernail place beside of it...the sign is purple with black letters, and its kinda small with other signs around it. Not many people drive around through there, so you can go slow and look for it.

Bring all the friends you got!

[TylerS]

Quote (Dr. Sylvan @ Dec. 07 2003,01:35)Type Zero is so pointless, even without Power. I don't understand why stores bother running that crap.

Type 0 is a lot of fun if you say "Type 0, Legends and older only" or something like that. Black aggro/control is lots of fun with unrestricted Strips, Twists, Contract, Chaos Orb, Power... and you can play Word of Command  

Once you let enough sets (or certain sets) in, though, it's TurboAcademy vs Purple Slurpee. *shrug* It's gotta be a casual format.

[Jacob Orlove]

Quote (Fastbond @ Dec. 07 2003,10:44)Use blacker lotus, jack in the mox, mox crystal, and contract from below.

Dude, Mox Crystals are worth more than Lotuses. Good luck finding 4 copies of a card that had a print run of 50. And that's not even taking into account the fact that hardcore 5color players (the only kind that would ever get one to begin with) just won't give it up unless it actually comes up as the ante in a 5color game.

Blacker Lotus is pretty terrible after round 1.

Jack in the Mox isn't bad, but there's plenty of other good options that aren't as hard to find, and that you can actually trade away later.

Contract From Below is absurdly risky, because if you lose a game, you'll get ejected for having a 59 card deck.

[crshibby]

TYLER S- I understand what your saying, but it's not 300 people tourneys, and not many have power. We don't really have to worry about any dominate decks.

And on the Academy build, I dont think it would be any good without moxes. If anyone can give me a decklist of a turboacademy that works very well without them please list it.
If not, can we make any changes to the first turbonevyn list I posted to make it a faster deck?

-THANKS-

[Moxlotus]

YOu don't need moxes to have an Academy deck go off turn 2. Look at decklists from PT Rome. That was T2 when academy decks were going off turn 1 and 2

[Tripps]

Shibby: Approximately how long is the drive?

Also Jacob, forgive my n00bishness, but what is this Mox Crystal you speak of? That is so easy to discover that it suggests conspicuousness or little need for perspicacity in the observer. with a print run of 50 it woudl be hard to get a hold of one, but I haven't even heard of it before.

[crshibby]

TRIPPS- It's no more than 4 hours, thats if traffic's bad. I know it's a long drive, but it's the only tourney I've heard of that you can use almost anything. I think there will be a big turn out.

MOX LOTUS- Yea the academy is very good, but I searched for PT Rome, and got nothing but junk. Can you send a link? I would appreciate it.

I've never heard of Mox Crystal either. I did a search for it and didn't find anything about it. Let me know what it is if you don't care. I'm sur if there was only 50 printed, not many have over 1.

-THANKS-

[Jacob Orlove]

Quote Mox Crystal
Mox Crystal was not published by Wizards. The Five Color world had an Invitational tournament, and the winner was able to create a Five Color-legal card. The card that was made is Mox Crystal.

Mox Crystal is exactly like the other Moxen except it taps for colorless. You have to own one of the official copies of the card, by the way; you can't just print one off or slap a piece of tape over a Phyrexian Walker and claim it's a Mox Crystal.

[crshibby]

ORLOVE- Just wondering on how much the Mox Crystals go for?

And if anyone cares, I changed the decklist around.
-1 Brainstorm
-2 Enlightened Tutor
+1 Demonic Tutor
+2 Vampiric Tutor

I maganged to get a 2nd turn kill, but I'm still looking for the 1st turer.

-THANKS-