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« on: February 01, 2004, 03:36:16 am »

I've began playtesting this deck recently (again), and have picked up interest in it. In my mind, spoils mask is one of the better aggro decks out there. With everyone focused on GY hate (rightfully so, due to Dragon), Mask may have gotten a bit better. To start off, lets look at Smennen's list:

15 Swamp
7 SoLoMoxen
4 Dark Ritual
1 Mana Crypt
-27 Mana Sources

4 Dreads
4 Mask
4 Negator
-12 Threats

4 Unmask
4 Duress
4 Hymn
-12 Disruption spells

4 Spoils
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
-7 Tutors

1 Necro
1 Yawg. Will
-2 Broken spells


After playing an almost identical build for about a month, I've realized that it's got some major weaknesses that I'd like to address:

1) No removal and a weak back-up threat in the form of negator. With the rise of aggro (TnT, Madness, Oshawa Stompy), Spoils mask, IMO has gotten worse. These decks have the ability to deal 6+ damage in the first 2 turns and spit out 2+ critters, making spoils MUCH more risky. I've played games where I've actually gotten out a dreadnought, but had to sit there and not attack simply to hold off an opposing swarm that would have been lethal.  I'm not saying Spoils is a bad card, I'm simply thinking removal or a better threat is needed. I've been toying around with these cards so far:

Oblivion Stone
Grid Monitor
Nantuko Shade

Obvilion stone, obviously was a replacement for P. Deed. As you know, I absolutely adore this card, and felt that with everyone playing stifles and wastes, that splashing may have been a bad idea. O-stone is very slow, and you will rarely ever get to put a fate counter on your permanents, but nonetheless, the threat of it on the table will buy you some turns.

As for Grid Monitor, I've had moderate success with the card. It does put stress on your illusionary masks, but even without them, a grid monitor is pretty impressive. Ofcourse it can't stand up to a tog (nothing outside of Dreads really can), but it holds off more creatures than you think...from Su-chis to Juggernauts, to small dryads, and pretty much all of weenie aggro's critters. They don't effect your dreadnoughts either way because you have to play them through Mask(altough I'm not sure about this...I think you can play dread under mask with monitor in play...correct me if I'm wrong). I like them so far, especially with the rise of fast aggro.

As for the shade, I've played with him in the past, but I don't know if he deserves a spot. he's way too mana intensive, and is only a real threat when you hit 4 mana. In a deck like this, you simply don't have the mana to use on him early game.

2) Number/type of disruption. It seems like in the face of aggro decks, the disruption hasn't been pulling its weight. Sure, sometimes you can landscrew your opponent with first turn ritual, duress, hymn, but most of the time, it just stalls out. So far, I've been toying with 4 Duress/4 therapy, and have had relative success. I cut Unmask simply because I was running a lot less black cards main, so pitching a spoils or tutor was rather painful for me. The 4 Therapies is more like 6, as in <a href="http://0-2u.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> vs. control, you may flash them back occasionally.

3) Lightning Greaves main. This point is a bit iffy. I haven't made the switch yet, but what are your opinions? Keeper and other decks are running more and more creature hate, so it seems like 3 Greaves may be a good call. It speeds up the kill to boot.


Anyways, I believe that spoils mask can really be a good contender in the current type 1 scene. The original spoils mask deck may be a bit out-dated (sorry Steve! :shock: ) due to the newer, more aggressive decks out there. I would love nothing more than to see one of my favorite decks make a strong showing in the T1 Meta. All criticisms/comments welcome. Discuss!

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2004, 12:33:55 pm »

After my playtesting with TnT, I became convinced that Wasteland would simply be too good not to use in Masknaught.  I beleive that this should help out the archetype a bit - buying time for summoning sickness, often working as a functional Lightning Greaves.

4 Mask
4 Noughts
4 Negator

4 Unmask
4 Duress
2 Hymn

4 Spoiils
1 Vamp
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Necropotence

4 Dark Ritual

13 Swamp
5 Waste/Strip
5 Moxen
1 Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2004, 03:01:06 pm »

I've been testing strips too.  They have been great so far.

Since aggro is so big right now, I cut the necropotence, the will, 1 hymn and 2 swamps.   I have never been able to comfortably use the necro against aggro.  To me necro and 4 spoils are just too much life loss to both be used to their full potencial, thus I cut the necro in an attempt to streamline the deck.

@ Clown of Tresserhorn - isn't the grid monitor too much mana? 4 mana is not only hard to achieve consistently on turn 1 or 2, but it seems like you could use the mana more effieciently by setting up a dreadnought or disrupting your opponent.  Although I am not very fond of the negators in the current enviroment, I am not sure there is a good replacement at 3 mana.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2004, 03:26:50 pm »

Wastelands: Honestly, I haven't tested them yet...but they seem like a good idea. I will definitely give them a whirl. In your current list (Stephen), you run 30 mana sources....while 5 are actually disruption spells, do you often find yourself mana flooded?I honestly don't know what to cut for those 3 spots. Decks like MUD and Slavery can get away with that high mana count because when they play one business spell, it usually wins them the game, or stalls until they can find something that can win the game. In Mask, I'm worried that you'll end up with hands like Swamp, swamp, waste, ritual, spoils, duress, mox, where that wasteland could have been something good...ofcourse this is all speculation, so I'll have to test first.

As for gird monitor, I am running 4 right now, and it's been better than negator simply because I see lots of aggro. I usually get him down turn 3, which is reasonable due to all the acceleration in the deck. The first 2 turns are usually there to disrupt the opponent anyways. You can't always reliably get the combo off, so you NEED a back-up plan. A turn 3 4/6 is nothing to laugh at vs. opposing aggro decks. I will admit, it does weaken your matchup vs. Tog TREMENDOUSLY, simply because they now can artifact mutation it and leave you SOL. Right now, I see no better substitute. Negator may still be the best option....I just wanted other peoples opinions.

As for skittering horror...I hate it. It's MUCH worse vs. aggro now-a-days cause almost everything kills it, and it's got no evasion. The ONLY time it would be better than negator is vs. Fish, which I see little of.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2004, 11:39:20 am »

@Smmenen:

How does your sideboard look?
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 12:09:13 pm »

With the increase in the use of STP and the popularization of Damping Matrix, is this deck really such a good idea to use? I haven't noticed any decline in the amount of Artifact Hate for Grave Yard Hate myself. Are you giving a personal opinion on the state of peoples side boards or do you have evidence to back this up? Just wondering.

Edit: How do you guys feel about the Red splash for Blood Moon, R&R and REB?
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2004, 11:27:35 am »

What do you guys think about Chains of Mephistopheles in Spoils Mask?

I personally don't use a red splash because of the 5 strip + 2 stifle + 2 shaman Blue based control decks.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2004, 12:17:23 pm »

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With the increase in the use of STP and the popularization of Damping Matrix, is this deck really such a good idea to use? I haven't noticed any decline in the amount of Artifact Hate for Grave Yard Hate myself. Are you giving a personal opinion on the state of peoples side boards or do you have evidence to back this up? Just wondering.

T3h 1337 Evidence:

November+December (divided by two b/c of twice as many tourneys) - January
(sorted by change in frequency of occurrence)
+Naturalize: 12 - 35
+R&R: 20.5 - 38
+Tormod's Crypt: 40 - 60
+Disenchant: 7.5 - 10
-StoP: 20.5 - 19
-Pernicious Deed: 15 - 10
-Coffin Purge: 24.5 - 5

So this deck is a risky move, but not because of the risk of agricultural pursuits.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2004, 01:31:42 pm »

Interesting...

I bet the increase in Naturalizes was due to the rise of Oshawa Stompy

The R&Rs increased because everyone feared the rise of Trinisphere and other Workshop decks.  This hasn't happened, so they *should* go down once everyone realizes that Trinisphere isn't quite as broken as they thought.  And R&Rs increased with the rise of TnT.

On the bright side, the Deeds and StoPs are decreasing...

Also, was this data for MD or SB or both?  I'm guessing that lots of the StoPs and some of the Naturalizes listed were maindecked, but since Crypts and R&Rs are SB material only at least I have an easier game 1 than before (Naturalizes get Hymned / Duressed / Unmasked easily).
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2004, 01:38:31 pm »

Quote from: Mathman07
Interesting...

I bet the increase in Naturalizes was due to the rise of Oshawa Stompy

The R&Rs increased because everyone feared the rise of Trinisphere and other Workshop decks.  This hasn't happened, so they *should* go down once everyone realizes that Trinisphere isn't quite as broken as they thought.  And R&Rs increased with the rise of TnT.



maybe it hasn't happened because you can't play with Trinisphere yet?
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2004, 02:01:44 pm »

Silly me.  That's what I get for playing on MWS all of the time.

I guess that R&Rs are up because TnT and other workshop decks are on the rise.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2004, 03:36:44 pm »

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With the increase in the use of STP and the popularization of Damping Matrix, is this deck really such a good idea to use? I haven't noticed any decline in the amount of Artifact Hate for Grave Yard Hate myself. Are you giving a personal opinion on the state of peoples side boards or do you have evidence to back this up? Just wondering.

T3h 1337 Evidence:

November+December (divided by two b/c of twice as many tourneys) - January
(sorted by change in frequency of occurrence)
+Naturalize: 12 - 35
+R&R: 20.5 - 38
+Tormod's Crypt: 40 - 60
+Disenchant: 7.5 - 10
-StoP: 20.5 - 19
-Pernicious Deed: 15 - 10
-Coffin Purge: 24.5 - 5

So this deck is a risky move, but not because of the risk of agricultural pursuits.


Ah, awesome stuff. STP should be going up over the course of Jan and Feb or something is seriously wrong (or people just aren't playing Keeper).
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2004, 04:05:59 pm »

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Also, was this data for MD or SB or both?

Both.
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or people just aren't playing Keeper

There's certainly a fair share of Keeper (second-most T8s for January), there just aren't many people playing white (20% of decks). But the average white-using deck has 2.125 StP, so if you see Tundra, brace yourself.

*pronounces edict of returning-to-topic* If you're looking for a replacement in the Negator slots, Clown, what were your reasons for rejecting Steel Golem on the way to Grid Monitor? Too many 4/4's running around?
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2004, 09:32:06 pm »

Agree with Smmenen about wasteland.  Unless all ur opponents are budget players, wasteland will help.

From experience on the other side of the table, I would actually agressively mulligan until I draw my null rod.  In current meta, null rod seems to be a popular choice.  Mask will most likely need a better SB.
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