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Author Topic: It's an artifact, creature, land, and enchantment!  (Read 4892 times)
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« on: February 23, 2004, 10:55:36 pm »

Pulse Orb
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Artifact Creature
Pulse Orb counts as an artifact, creature, land, and enchantment.
When Pulse Orb comes into play from your hand you may play an additional land this turn.
Pulse Orb cannot attack or block.
All spells and abilities able to target Pulse Orb do so.
{2}:  Regenerate Pulse Orb.
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I think this is very interesting.  Has this been attempted b4?


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Pulse Orb
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Artifact Creature - Legend
When Pulse Orb comes into play, it becomes a land and an enchantment in addition to its type.
Whenever a spell or ability is put on the stack, if that spell or ability could target Pulse Orb but doesn't, that player changes one of its targets to target Pulse Orb.
{2}, {T}:  Regenerate Pulse Orb.
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-some ability revamping *Some People*
-kind of cleaned up ability *GerryMander*
-is instead of counts as *Jebus*
-legendary is a quick and easy solution *brenden*
-made several changes
-changed it so it doesn't count as your land drop *Some People*
-made it less threatening by adding tap to regeneration *GerryMander*
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2004, 11:13:47 pm »

Wow what's with all the flagbearer-like cards lately?

I find the mechanic to be fairly.. boring.. Meh. This is a pretty powerful card, as you'd expect for someone for 7 mana. I just don't know.. I think if you were to design something like this, it would need a lot better flavour. I just don't see it at the moment.
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2004, 11:21:15 pm »

This needs to lose at least two abilities.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2004, 12:21:59 am »

It also needs to be retemplated quite a bit.  It's a mess.  I'd fix it, but it does need to lose stuff.  I'll leave that up to the creator for now. Razz
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2004, 03:49:29 am »

Ditching the additional land ability in favour of tapping for 1 colourless makes it more credible as a land.

Why can't the creature fight? Let him do battle!!
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2004, 10:50:30 am »

Really?  People think that this is boring?  I thought it was interesting in that it pulled in any spell that could affect any permanent...

I have had this idea for a really long time, I just recently decided to make it ya know... changes made...
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2004, 11:07:37 am »

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Really?  People think that this is boring?  I thought it was interesting in that it pulled in any spell that could affect any permanent...

I have had this idea for a really long time, I just recently decided to make it ya know... changes made...


Please correct the Type line.  The phrase "~this~ counts as ~type(s)~" is obsolete.

You would just include all the types in the Type line.

It would be awkward, but correct.

Actually, the entire concept of a card that is all permanent types is awkward to me.  Confused
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2004, 02:02:49 pm »

It would be correct, but it also wouldn't fit on a card! If this card is going to exist, it MUST spill over into the text box.

This card is kind of interesting but it's kind of strange seeing it at the same time as King's Herald, which also has the whole "attract everything" mechanic going on.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2004, 02:37:24 pm »

I honestly made this b4 i read King's Decree.  I have had this idea fer a while, and have attempted to think of a way to word it, but haven't had any good ideas until recently.  if this is too close to that King's Decree, I guess I could have it closed or something.

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2004, 02:42:08 pm »

Remove counts as and just replace it with "is".

Instead of "All spells and abilities able to target Pulse Orb do so."

Try "Whenever a spell or ability is put on the stack, if that spell or ability could target a ~this~ but doesn't, that player changes one of its targets to target ~this~."

Of course, I also notice there could be problems with Multiples of these in play.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2004, 03:02:52 pm »

Well you could say "Whenever a spell or ability is put on the stack, if that spell or ability could target a card named ~this~ but doesn't, that player changes one of its targets to target a card named ~this~."
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2004, 03:03:35 pm »

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Well you could say "Whenever a spell or ability is put on the stack, if that spell or ability could target a card named ~this~ but doesn't, that player changes one of its targets to target a card named ~this~."


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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2004, 06:06:24 pm »

Or just make it legendary to further clutter up the type box. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2004, 10:47:25 am »

i'll use brenden's idea cuz it is an easy and good idea
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2004, 04:07:19 pm »

Okay, well at least now it will fit on the card. I don't know if the "must target" ability is worded correctly, though.
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2004, 04:17:02 pm »

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Okay, well at least now it will fit on the card. I don't know if the "must target" ability is worded correctly, though.


It isn't.  The correct wording has been suggested.  I don't know why he didn't change it.

Also, it should probably be Artifact Creature - Legend.  The Legendary supertype is normally reserved for non-creature cards.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2004, 10:55:10 am »

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It isn't.  The correct wording has been suggested.  I don't know why he didn't change it.


i wanted to look at the wording for Standard Bearer before i changed it, just so yah know.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2004, 11:11:44 am »

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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2004, 11:38:44 am »

Can't you play it for free if it's a land?
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2004, 11:42:37 am »

Here's the thing.

I'm scared of this.

Right now, Slaver Control is a good deck. And why is that? Because it can quicky play and infinitely recur really really expensive artifacts through Tinker or Thirst for Knowledge + Welder. I mean, this is a deck that plays a Platinum Angel mainly as a tool. 'Oh look, I might die next turn. Let's put a freakin' 7 mana artifact into play during my opponent's turn'.

I'm almost positive those decks would jump at the chance to play this. It shuts down in infinite amount of hate. Everything but Hurkyl's Recall would suddenly be crap. You'd never be able to get rid of those annoyinf Welders this way, which is usually your one shot.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2004, 11:48:23 am »

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Can't you play it for free if it's a land?


You bring up a very good point.

Giving it a characteristic-setting ability as it has now would create this kind of problem.

I would suggest this be changed to a triggered comes into play ability that adds the additional Types after it has resolved.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2004, 12:30:35 pm »

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2004, 10:45:47 am »

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2004, 01:16:26 pm »

Why that name instead of any other name? I'm just curious what you see the flavor as.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2004, 01:29:27 pm »

Also, one final time: noone has any objections? If I'm alone in fearing this card's abuse in modern-day artifact builds as explained in my previous post, I'll not object further.
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2004, 02:02:05 pm »

If anyone has a better name then I will change it.  It was just a filler name, but since noone objecteded to it, I just went with it.

If the tapping as part of the regeneration cost isn't enough of a drawback for constant recursion, then maybe we can think of something else
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2004, 02:49:36 pm »

Considering that it costs 7, can't regenerate for a full turn, and can't regenerate repeatedly, I think it definitely not overpowered.

I would like a name that fits a little better. Maybe something with magnetic in it?
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2004, 09:45:29 am »

Magnetic........... Orb?
Magnetic........... Matrix?

No.  None of these.

What aboot...... hmmm.... something that sounds like it is a legendary device that can be targeted by any type of spell that doesn't target a player..... hmmmm..... that's a toughy.

I cannot come up with anything.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2004, 11:28:31 am »

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Magnetic........... Orb?
Magnetic........... Matrix?

No.  None of these.

What aboot...... hmmm.... something that sounds like it is a legendary device that can be targeted by any type of spell that doesn't target a player..... hmmmm..... that's a toughy.

I cannot come up with anything.


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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2004, 10:51:29 am »

meh.  I actually like Pulse Orb more than those names.  I would rather just stick w/ the name that I am currently using if we cannot come up with something else...
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