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« on: February 25, 2004, 10:30:00 am » |
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Organ Puncture
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Enchanted creature gets -3/-3.
I think it's perfectly fair. Compare to Irradiate. This one's pretty simple, I just wanted to get it out of the way.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2004, 10:30:18 am » |
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Current Wording:
Organ Puncture
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Enchanted creature gets -3/-3.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2004, 11:10:07 am » |
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seems pretty basic. could probably be cut down to   ... also, hate the name. Howsabout Preforate or Debase or somethin? |
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2004, 02:19:12 pm » |
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2B would be really strong. Exotic Curse was ridiculous when you had 3 basic lands types. 3B is fine.
I like the name. It's much nicer than some meaningless verb.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2004, 02:23:57 pm » |
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dark banishing costs and it kills any nonblack creature. this can kill a black creature with toughness of 3 or less, plus, there is a card that for {B} gives a creature -2/-2... this is a lame name. since when did it make since for a creature to be enchanted with punctured organs? the name is not flavorful at all for the card. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2004, 04:12:13 pm » |
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Sorry, but the name rules. Generic Verb is getting really boring, and also tends to be an area that Wizards mines frequently - meaning that it's very likely that they'll use the name "Perforate" or something, and then we'll be stuck having to rename a card.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2004, 09:54:06 am » |
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For what it's worth I think the card is dull, overcosted and has a horrible name.
I can see the argument that it is too good at 2B although I think that is where it belongs. Perhaps it could be changed to -4/-2 but reduced to 2B as it would kill fewer creatures. -4/-2 also has that double Weakness thing going for it as well as perfectly fitting Fogbeasts.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2004, 10:40:42 am » |
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How about:
BB, discard a card: Return Organ Puncture to play, enchanting a new target.
<3 reusability!
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2004, 10:58:49 am » |
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Yet again, I am getting ignored when I have a problem with a card. When I made Copy Cat, I had to change the name because people didn't like it...
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2004, 11:26:54 am » |
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It's not undercosted at all. At 2B, i'd start a riot and scream bloody murder and whatnot  |
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2004, 12:26:54 pm » |
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I KNOW it's costed right, so the only issues are: is it boring? and: is the name not good?
I do like skycreator's suggestion of being recurrable, but that would force the card to change up significantly. I could make it a sorcery, but then you'd have memory issues if the creature wasn't actually killed, and that would necessitate counters of some kind, which clutter up the game.
Okay, I love this name, so anyone who wants me to change it needs to tell me why it needs changing (preferably with some better examples). As a forewarning: I refuse to use a Generic Violent Verb for the name (for reasons already discussed), so don't even bother suggesting names of that type.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2004, 12:45:45 pm » |
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I find it is a bit boring and possibly overcosted. But, common removal is a nessescity. At least, I'd hope this would be common.
I keep wanting to compare it to Mutiliate, but that really isn't comparable.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2004, 04:59:53 pm » |
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Yes, it would definitely be shooting for common or uncommon (depends on how many creatures we have that can't be killed via damage - i.e. regenerators).
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2004, 07:06:43 pm » |
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It isn't super intersting as a card; it's a fairly standard mechanic, but I don't tihnk that's a bad thing, all sets should have some staples. If you wanted to be a little more exciting, you could always reduce the cost and give it a Kudzu like effect.
However, I don't like the name at all. This has only changed <violent Verb> for <noun> <violent verb>. I also think of an "organ puncture" as something that would deal damage, rather than reduce p/t, not to mention a action rather than an enchantment. P/T reduction seems to me to be associated with enfeeblement/decay/poison/disease, etc. The concept of organ pucture also seems to me to be something that would never be the name of a magic card; I have a feeling the powers that be would change something like that to "crippling injury" at worst.
That said, do I have any suggestions? How about I like "vitiate" myself, but that's both something you don't want and would probably require the creature to be non-black for it to be on flavor. Hmm. It's not terribly exciting, but what about "Destroy Strength"?
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2004, 07:57:46 pm » |
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You've clearly never had an organ punctured if you think it doesn't have to do with disease.
Secondly, I always assumed that having a punctured organ would also impair your ability to attack. Silly me.
I don't get some of you. You guys LIKED Pierced By Many Wounds, but this is no good?
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2004, 08:02:25 pm » |
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The name is perfect. I like it. Or maybe "Punctured Organs". Either one really. They both fit. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2004, 08:10:56 pm » |
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You've clearly never had an organ punctured if you think it doesn't have to do with disease. I would categorize punctured organ under the same category as broken arm, which would be differentiated from influenza or syphilis or something. But I don't know that this is the place for such semantic discussions. If you think it's a good name, go for it, I'm just offering a dissenting opinion you're free to ignore. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2004, 08:18:22 pm » |
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Well I don't want there to be any bad blood in the forum, so I won't just barge ahead without listening.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2004, 11:55:32 pm » |
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I see a punctured organ quite differently from a broken arm. The puncture saps your strength and is often fatal (lung, heart, etc). It's not something that's easy to recover from either.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2004, 03:02:20 am » |
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I'm categorizing according to agent more than severity, I believe.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2004, 06:46:57 am » |
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I'm in favour of "Punctured Organs." It just seems to roll off the tongue better:
"Your Serpent Warrior has an organ puncture."
"Your Serpent Warrior has punctured organs."
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2004, 08:01:06 am » |
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Punctured organs would probably resolve some of the other peoples problems with the name too, since that is something that would reduce the creatures p/t. Organ puncture sounds more like a damage dealing effect.
Personally I think they're both fine, although I hold a slight preference for Organ Puncture because it sounds cooler.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2004, 09:26:14 am » |
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Organ Puncture it is.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2004, 09:33:37 am » |
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Pierced by many Wounds had a cool name, this doesn't. As an example when I saw this name I thought to myself "That name is so bad I could have suggested it". THAT is how bad it is!
I have no power level issues with -3/-3 for 4 mana, it is a touch weak and dull but it is not unreasonable. I just felt that by reducing the amount of time it could kill something it could get down to 3 CC. It's not like Black has a bad track record of killing things for 3 mana.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2004, 11:03:25 am » |
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i am fine with punctured organs. at least it sounds better...
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2004, 07:29:59 pm » |
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Flavour-wise, though, it doesn't work for artifact creatures. "Yeah, I'll make your Ornithopter have.. punctured.. organs?  " Not saying it couldn't, but it sounds weird. |
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2004, 11:45:18 pm » |
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Eh, that's just something we'll have to live with. If I can Terror a Wall of Stone, this should be no problem.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2004, 05:18:13 pm » |
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2004, 05:35:07 pm » |
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