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nega23
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« on: March 06, 2004, 10:32:53 pm »

Hi everyone.
I want to talk about my T1 Keeper deck, here's the decklist :
MAINDECK :
        3 Volcanic Island
        3 Tundra
        4 Underground Sea
        2 Polluted Delta
        2 Flooded Strand
        1 Library of Alexandria
        4 Wasteland
        1 Strip Mine
        1 Sol Ring
        1 Mox Sapphire
        1 Mox Ruby
        1 Mox Pearl
        1 Mox Jet
        1 Black Lotus
        1 Gorilla Shaman
        1 Swords to Plowshares
        1 Mind Twist
        1 Yawgmoth's Will
        1 Demonic Tutor
        3 Duress
        2 Isochron Scepter
        2 Decree of Justice
        4 Force of Will
        4 Mana Drain
        3 Cunning Wish
        4 Accumulated Knowledge
        4 Brainstorm
        1 Mystical Tutor
        1 Time Walk
        1 Ancestral Recall
SIDEBOARD :
        1 Vampiric Tutor
        1 Swords to Plowshares
        1 Stifle
        1 Aura Blast
        1 Rack and Ruin
        1 Red Elemental Blast
        1 Blue Elemental Blast
        1 Hurkyl's Recall
        1 Fire/Ice
        1 Misdirection
        1 Balance
        1 Gush
        1 Skeletal Scrying
        1 Fact or Fiction
        1 Daze

Okay, Heres the biggest problems I have :
Daze in SB will probably seem a bit random , but the reason for it to be there is to make Wishes become a counter occasionally. It obviously need to be a free counter, becouse it already needs 2U to be played. Its the same thing for Misdirection : Opponent plays Recall, in responce I Wish-->MisD. But Im not so sure about Daze : I would like to try Thwart too, even if 3 islands in hand is quite a bad drawback. I think Foil is even worse, so the choice is between one of those 2. There is another option, but it probably could seem foolish... What do you guys think ? Cutting 1 Force of Will Maindeck for a Wish, and moving it to Sideboard instead of Daze ? Completely Fool ? That would mean 7 Force Maindeck though...
Okay, another thing : I think I probably need Tormod's Crypt in SB, but I dont know what should I cut. Any suggestions ? I only can think of Gush, though its so useful sometimes... for Wishes I mean : the only free-card draw (FoF and Scrying cost so much) and a great free responce to Wastes/Strips...
Okay, Im pretty sure about the rest of SB.
MD seems quite good too to me, Scepters work very well (AKs and Drains expecially) and the only thing Im not so sure about are 3 Duresses (maybe less...?) and the Shaman, though its so important for disruption and vs Chalices expecially...And I wouldnt know what to put in instead of these ! FoF and Vampiric work so well in SB (more ways to find em with Wishes), so FireIce and Stifle, Balance is too many times a dead draw and is really important only vs aggro (where I sb it in game 2 and 3) and Scrying doesnt work very well MD. The only thing I could think of are Chalices... but I dont really know how would they work ! Any more suggestions ?
Okay, this was all... Thanks to everyone for the interest.
Goodbye,
Nega23 ---> Enrico from Italy
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2004, 10:58:06 pm »

Cut Duress. It's bad in reactive control decks because it is a proactive card. Decks like Keeper want to sit back and provide answers to threats, and cards like Duress just don't mesh well with that strategy.  Replace it with 2 Stifles and another Swords.

If you think Balance is only important against aggro, you aren't thinking about it correctly.  There is no good reason for you to cut Balance ever.
It needs to go back in.  With the amount of draw you have, you can probably drop a wish for it.

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 12:35:09 am »

Honestly, if you're going to cut Balance you should just cut white entirely and play Tog.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2004, 01:13:50 am »

First off I'd like to say that your question about running 3x FOW main and 1x side is odd, but for different reasons then what then just lack of optimal counters. If you FOW 1x, chances are pretty good that you may remove another FOW/ Mana Drain and therefore have already set up a wish target. I don't believe running a suboptimal counter main is going to produce better results. I think the reason that running a counter with such a high draw back is not only acceptable, but wiser, is because it is only accessed as a last ditch effort. The power of cunning wish shines best in reacting to specific threats. Allay, Shattering Pulse, Swords, stifle(jester's cap and such) are all wish targets that handle certain needs. The only ofther need that should be should be considered are mind twist effects. Effects that have direct hand disruption(misdir), counter war(witch FOW may support you anyway), Direct Head(ligtning bolt) and library threats are the only logical choices I see for reactive options in this spot. All those other subotimal but free counters do this and also work against combo. Guilded light also helps in most of these situations.

Hope this helps.
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