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Author Topic: The March Vintage Gauntlet by Aaron Kernzer  (Read 2283 times)
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« on: March 15, 2004, 03:28:36 pm »

http://www.themanadrain.com/marchmeta.htm

The spacing is a bit off at the moment, but is being worked on by none other than our big daddy Z.

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2004, 04:29:04 pm »

A job well done, Kerz.  This seems to be an excellent look at the metagame, but aren't there a few decks missing?  I didn't see Broodstarrunner.dec or any of the Fish builds listed, but otherwise this seems like a complete and precise look at what will be played.

I assume you left off Broodstarrunner and Fish either because you covered them last month or because you don't think they're a force to be reckoned with, but still, it seems best to be completely thorough.

But enough with my nitpicking, congrats again on a job well done.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 04:36:22 pm »

Well you need to understand that he's aiming for the decks that will be more useful in testing, via different extremes, to see where your deck buckles.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 04:43:55 pm »

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Well you need to understand that he's aiming for the decks that will be more useful in testing, via different extremes, to see where your deck buckles.


Ah, that does make sense.  Focusing on certain extremes is probably a big time saver for him, too.  Doing all the decks that have seen play lately would provide a serious risk of carpal tunnel, as well.  

The other day I was bored and actually started making .decs of anything and everything that had seen tournament play lately (archetypes, not specific builds of everything).  The sad thing is, I know I'm missing quite a few decks, still, as I haven't made up a Welder MUD list, a Meandeck Slaver list, a Fish list, or a Mad Dragon list.  I'm probably forgetting other decks, as well, which I'll have to go look up.

In case you're curious, I have around 24 decklists in my T1 apprentice folder at this point.  I expect that number will become 30 or more when I decide to complete the project.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 04:44:02 pm »

Kerz,

This was a great read.  Fantastic job!  I think that you have represented the "5 Boroughs" (aggro/control/combo/mix) very well.  I have also been tracking the Vintage Meta game in this thread for an article that I eventually will write:

http://www.playordraw.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=119205

I have shortened my tournament pool to just tournaments that feature Power as a prize.  With this experiment, I am hoping to reflect tourny information that details what people play when the stakes are at a much more higher level.  Your article reflects much of what my data has shown thus far but there are some minor ommissions that you didn't address.  Fish, EBA, and R/G beats have been in several Top 8's with Powered tournaments.  These decks can hate fairly well (null rod) or change game tempo (Exalted Angel).  I was wondering why you declined to comment on these decks?

All in all, your article was great and I'll be referrencing it often.  Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2004, 10:27:25 pm »

Great read. I do have one question, though: Why did you omit Gay/r? I can understand not including Mono Blue Fish, but Fish variants show up at most any major tournament, and they can be quite competetive. Plus Fish builds, particularly Gay/r, can hate almost any deck on the field, with acces to Null Rod, Rack and Ruin, Energy Flux and Fire/Ice.
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2004, 09:41:36 am »

You can't expect him to write about every deck that has placed well in the past couple months.  That is just too big a task.  The main purpose appears to be just some of the best decks of each type for the purpose that if you can beat the best, you should be able to beat the lesser types (not quite true, which is why this type of gauntlet doesn't apply to vintage as well as other formats.)  The fact that the cardpool is just too large to accomodate all decks makes gauntlets really hard to be definite and complete.  If everyone wants to see all these other decks in the gauntlet, there is nothing stopping you from writing another segment and publishing it solo or even getting it added.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2004, 02:10:44 pm »

Well, you CAN expect me to write about every highly viable deck in the format, actaully. The problem with Gay/R is that, yes, Phantom Tape Worm has done well with it, but it does't consistantly top eight anything. The best guage I used was the TMDO (Waterbury), and the preformences of the decks there (this was the largest type one event in history). Gay/R wasn't played at all (only a few of them, maybe 5 out of 191), and no one who dared play it placed at all. This wasn't my only gauge, but it is a good example. Gay/R has been virutally asbesent from top eights, scoring a 7th in Columbus 2 months ago.. thats basically it. Although it is a good budget deck, it really doesn't contend with the top tables, more often that not.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2004, 03:34:47 pm »

Great read!
It was very well written and went into alot of detail, I can not wait to run throught this gauntlet and test the different matchups ect...
I will be reading this and reffering to it often througth out my wana be articles (not yet here) and will most likely print it out for my play testing group. Good Job,
    Justin
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2004, 03:42:16 pm »

This pieces are so useful to get a quick overview of whats going on in T1 at this moment.
Especially with the amount of new decks increasing faster than ever.  
Please keep up the good work!
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2004, 05:25:12 pm »

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Well, you CAN expect me to write about every highly viable deck in the format, actaully. The problem with Gay/R is that, yes, Phantom Tape Worm has done well with it, but it does't consistantly top eight anything. The best guage I used was the TMDO (Waterbury), and the preformences of the decks there (this was the largest type one event in history). Gay/R wasn't played at all (only a few of them, maybe 5 out of 191), and no one who dared play it placed at all. This wasn't my only gauge, but it is a good example. Gay/R has been virutally asbesent from top eights, scoring a 7th in Columbus 2 months ago.. thats basically it. Although it is a good budget deck, it really doesn't contend with the top tables, more often that not.



I am in complete agreement with Kerz on this situation.  When I prepare for a tournament in my area(Cape Cod) I prepare for a much different set of decks than I would have if i were to go to the TMD Open(Waterbury).  Budget decks such as Gay/R, Fish, R/G beats, Belcher(which i consider to be the budget players combo deck) and others are to be seen more often in enviornments such as mine.  I will prepare to go up against one or two of these decks each tournament i play in, here.  However,  My area is, and always will be known as the budget crap players arena.  Too many kids/adults that would never normally place highly in larger tournaments do well here, and the few players that would place high are taking first and second.  I do consider these decks apart of my metagame, but i need to be aware of where a tournament i am going to is held or who is going.  Certain decks will never see showing at tournaments like Waterbury, or the upcoming tournament from Andy Stok,  people will not want to consider this tournament a playtest enviornment like they do with my area or small tournaments in general, these tournaments are for the big boys and these decks don't make the cut.

Viewing larger and more competitive tournaments allow Kerz to choose the decks that are almost a "must see" in any tournament you go to, not decks that may appear in one area and not in the next.  Since Kowal has stopped making his showings of Ninja Mask here on Cape it has been non existant and i simply don't hear anything about it.   I must say that that is the only build i would not proxy if i were to proxy up this Gauntlet.  It is a great deck, but I personally will never see it in my area.

The Open Forum is much more easy going than the Actual Type 1 Forum and I find myself annoyed sometimes that i can't post my thoughts there.  However here's a few points i would like to make.  

People who have "full membership" access come from all over the world while the Basic Members majority seem to be in the Northeast or at least the US.  I think this is cause of majority of the arguments.  I don't pay as much attention to tournament standings from Europe as i do when i read a top 8 listing from Hadley or Waterbury or even Cape Cod.  these tournaments are my metagame enviornment and show decks that i should be prepared against.  I honestly believe that This Gauntlet, or any Gauntlet should be geared towards a region in the World and not meant for worldwide analysis.  People need to know what decks are going to be played in their hometown tournaments and differ that from decks that will be played in a semi close metagame which will include some of your local decks but also others and again a different one from across the Ocean.  Any player should be able to differentiate between these THREE different metagames and I'm somewhat upset that people in the Type 1 Forum are having so much issue realizing this.   The only fault i see that is Kerz' is that he did not mention this difference.

Other than that I really enjoy these Writeups, great deck analysis and explanations.  Can't wait for next month.
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2004, 05:51:00 pm »

Nice article Aaron...I know how long it took you.  I think you did a good job on selecting the best decks to write about.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2004, 11:53:40 pm »

Nice article, i'm trying to build an original aggro-control currently and will try to run the gauntlet with it.  This will be a useful tool for testing assuming I have the time/energy to build/proxy up the decks. Very Happy
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