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« on: April 18, 2004, 07:07:21 pm »

It seems to me that people are looking for a single card to deal with multiple welders.  Engineered Plague serves this purpose well.  

Most decks with welders run Red, Blue, and Black, none of which can easily deal with an enchantment.  Control Slaver seems to be in the best shape, with the most counters and Cunning Wish into Chain of Vapor.  The Tog mirror match seems to be the only place that a maindeck Engineered Plague would be completely useless.  

The main thing that I like about the Plague is that it dodges most of the hate: no REB or BEB, no Rack and Ruin.  It also kills critters as a state-based effect, which stop a certain class of pumping creatures, such as Quirion Dryad, Nantuko Shade, and Basking Rootwalla, and prevents your opponents from playing suseptible critters until the Plague is dealt with.

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Slaver - Keeps welders (or pentavite tokens Very Happy) off the board.  Hard for them to deal with a resolved Plague.
Keeper - Forces them to make angels or deal with the Plague
Grow-A-Tog - Keeps future Dryads off the table.  Since dryad costs less, not too good.
O-Stompy - Uhh ... keeps lizards off the table?  Not too good.
Dragon, Storm, Draw7 - It's RAID!!! *Poof*.  Too slow though.  Completely worthless main unless they run main deck Xantid Swarms.
FCG - Doesn't stop the key triggered abilities, but nukes about 1/3 of their deck.  A second one nukes their entire deck.
Fish - Always a good target around


Is the Plague strong enough to put in the main deck of Tog (or any deck playing black) for a large tournament?  What about the sideboard?
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2004, 07:27:45 pm »

Nicely written post. I'll say that you're on the right track. However, another card, Echoing Decay, usually ends up being better. It takes out Welders, can be Cunning Wished in, and also deals with soldier tokens, Rootwallas, Piledrivers, etc at instant speed.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2004, 08:04:28 pm »

Not only is the Plague good against those aforementioned decks, but the Plague is amazing against scrubby decks.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2004, 08:25:46 pm »

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However, another card, Echoing Decay, usually ends up being better. It takes out Welders, can be Cunning Wished in, and also deals with soldier tokens, Rootwallas, Piledrivers, etc at instant speed.


One thing I think should be mentioned is that Engineered Plague looks for creature types.  Not only would it kill welders, but it also gets the rest of the 1-toughness goblin world at the same time.  Against decks such as FCG and Fish its quite potent; I could see this card be a nightmare.

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Not only is the Plague good against those aforementioned decks, but the Plague is amazing against scrubby decks.


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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2004, 04:57:20 am »

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"I name the creature type 'Elf'.  Oops, did I just Win?"  Though on second thought, wouldnt you already have anyway?


Usually, yes, but I do knjow of a certain elf-deck that a friend converted from being extended to T1- my fully-powered tog can't do shit against it, my friends' STAX is helpless agfainst it and generelly anything less than plague is useless against itr Sad T4 or 5 kill, bounces elves and stuff around until then, so decay would also be useless against it- wonder how he's faired iwth it after he put in skullclamp though...
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2004, 07:26:28 pm »

Quote from: Hi-Val
Nicely written post. I'll say that you're on the right track. However, another card, Echoing Decay, usually ends up being better. It takes out Welders, can be Cunning Wished in, and also deals with soldier tokens, Rootwallas, Piledrivers, etc at instant speed.


but plague doesnt need to have the wielders out at the same time to deal with them. you can play it and kill one, then keep all of the other ones off the table with it. great idea, Nocturnal. seeing as I run mask, welders have been my death-knell for a long time. I'll try running 2 plagues in my sideboard and see what happens
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2004, 04:33:55 am »

depending on the version of mask you're playing, you might wanna run three in  the SB- against welder-decks, welders come bouncing along incredibly fast and if you don't have much card-draw, you need to be sure you draw the damn things... Smile
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2004, 10:14:08 am »

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great idea, Nocturnal


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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2004, 10:22:23 am »

Please Matt, I posted Engineered Plague way back in the day on Feanor's thread about tourneys he was having where every deck used 25 creatures of the same type  Razz

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2004, 10:37:34 am »

No, that was me, too.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2004, 11:11:21 am »

Wow I posted it after you there too. You're just the bad card king!
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