[Results]Eindhoven 25th of April

[rvs]

Eindhoven 25-04-2004

Final Standings:
Between brackets is the TMD name of the player in question.

1)Tom vd Logt, Tog (GotRealLucky)
2)Stefan Gussenhoven, Shop-Slaver
3)Jochem vd Hoven, Drain-Slaver
4)Menno Rieff, Ravager (mrieff)
5)Hero 't Mannetje, Dragon (Pyromaniac)
6)Kristian Medo, UR Landstill
7)Roy Thijssen, Dragon (Ancestral)
8)Jos Schreurs, 2-land Belcher
9)Fabian van Duurling, WB Sui
10)Koen van der Hulst, Shop-Slaver (Thug)
11)Bjorn Wassbauer, UW Phid
12)Rudi Bloemberg, Drain-Slaver
13)Leon Kusters, Drain-Slaver (Cyberknight)
14)Jasper Goebbels, Sligh
15)Tom Wilmes, WB Sui
16)Richard Janssen, Sligh
17)Merijn Jonkheer, Sui
18)Pierre Pannaye, FCG (DutchJungelist)
19)Athur Tindemans, Lands (Tindemans)
20)Emil Landman, Sligh
21)Bram Verhees, Drain-Slaver (Bram)
22)Jan Raets, Sui
23)Jordy den Hartog, FCG
24)Sjoerd Hovens, RG Beats
25)Ward Poulisse, Tog (BWM)
26)Kelvin Ferry van Wolferen, Jank
27)Thomas Borger, Elves
28)Bagus Bender, RecSur
29)Patrick Broeks, Sui
30)Marco Kiewit, BW Void (drop-out)

T8 decklists:

1)Tom vd Logt, Tog

1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Pernicious Deed
3 Psychatog
2 Duress
1 yawgmoth's Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mind Twist
1 Gush
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Intuition
2 Deep Analysis
3 Cunning Wish
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Mana DRain
4 Force of Will
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Underground Sea
SB:
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Firestorm
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Oxidize
1 Berserk
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Coffin Purge
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Artifact Mutation
2 Blue elemental Blast

2)Stefan Gussenhoven, Shop-Slaver

4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Mindslaver
1 Pentavus
1 Memnarch
1 Karn, Silver Golem
4 Goblin Welder
1 Sol Ring
3 Gilded Lotus
4 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 FAct or Fiction
1 Time Walk
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Memory Jar
1 Timetwister
1 yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mana Vault
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Tinker
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 MOx Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
4 Flooded Strand
4 volcanic Island
1 tolarian Academy
4 Mishra's Workshop
3 Underground Sea
SB:
1 Triskelion
1 Platinum Angel
1 Pentavus
1 Duplicant
2 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Trinisphere
3 Red Elemental Blast

3)Jochem vd Hoven, Drain-Slaver

4 Volcanic Island
1 Shivan Reef
4 Island
2 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
2 Underground Sea
1 Mox jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Cunning wish
3 Brainstorm
2 Mindslaver
4 Goblin Welder
2 Fire/Ice
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Memnarch
1 Pentavus
1 Platinum Angel
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Tinker
1 Time Walk
1 Memory Jar
1 Demonic Tutor
1 yawgmoth's Will
SB:
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Tormod's Crypt
3 Flametongue Kavu
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Fire/Ice
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Chain of Vapor
3 Rack and Ruin

4)Menno Rieff, Ravager

1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
4 Skullclamp
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Memory Jar
4 Myr Moonvessel
4 Arcbound Ravager
2 Arcound Crusher
2 Triskelion
4 Metalworker
4 Myr Retriever
4 Tangle Wire
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
SB:
4 Tormod's Crypt
2 Triskelion
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Glimmervoid
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

5)Hero 't Mannetje, Dragon

4 Bazaar of Bagdad
2 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Sol Ring
1 Cunning Wish
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ambassador Laquatus
2 Intuition
2 Compulsion
2 Dance of the Dead
3 Animate Dead
3 Necromancy
4 Worldgorger Dragon
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Duress
4 Xantid Swarm
SB:
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Stroke of Genius
1 Sliver Queen
3 Verdant Force
2 Coffin Purge
3 Null Rod
1 Platinum Angel

6)Kristian Medo, UR Landstill

4 Volcanic Island
1 Flooded Strand
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Lotus Petal
1 Strip Mine
1 Mountain
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Misrha's Factory
4 Faerie Conclave
5 Island
4 Wasteland
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
4 Standstill
1 counterspell
3 Mana Drain
1 Time Walk
1 ancestral Recall
3 Misdirection
4 Fire/Ice
1 Mystical Tutor
3 Stifle
SB:
3 Energy Flux
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pyroblast
2 Maze of Ith
4 Chalice of the Void

8)Roy Thijssen, Dragon

4 Worldgorger Dragon
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
4 Xantid Swarm
1 Ambassador Laquatus
3 Force of Will
2 Duress
2 Compulsion
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic tutor
4 Animate Dead
1 Dance of the Dead
3 Necromancy
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol ring
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 MOx Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mana Crypt
1 ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Bazaar of Bagdad
4 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
2 Intuition
SB:
2 coffin Purge
1 Deep Analysis
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Oxidize
2 Blue elemental Blast
3 Null Rod
2 Verdant Force
1 Platinum Angel

8)Jos Schreurs, 2-land Belcher

4 Goblin Charbelcher
4 Tinder Wall
4 Dark ritual
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Land Grant
4 Elvish spirit Guide
2 Xantid Swarm
2 Living Wish
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 MOx Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Timetwister
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Necropotence
1 Channel
3 goblin Welder
1 Grim Monolith
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
2 Brainstorm
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Memory jar
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Sol Ring
1 windfall
1 Lotus Petal
1 Tinker
1 Demonic Tutor
SB:
1 tolarian Academy
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Mishra's Workshop
1 Goblin Welder
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Elvish Lyrist
1 BoneShredder
1 Xantid Swarm
3 Phyrexian Negator
1 Naturalize
1 Oxidize
1 Scavenger Folk
1 Withered Wretch

Next Tourney: 23rd of May, in the NEW LOCATION. Be sure to keep an eye on JP's favorite site: www.gfmailorder.nl

[Gabethebabe]

WD Tom

Groesbeek GO!

[GotRealLucky]

WD Tom

Groesbeek GO!

Thanks  

It was a nice tournament. The highlight of the day for me was Firestorming two Phyrexian Negators for 4, causing my opponent to sacrifice all of his permanents, including a Goblin Charbelcher with me at one life.

[Thug]

I made a pretty dissappointing appearence, playing Shop-Slaver with some odd choices Stefan and Me came up with the day before. The last minute adittions were great! the rest of the deck wasnt  

QnD Report

Round 1: U/W Control
Game 1: I Chain of Vapor a Scepter With Chant and go nuts with Slaver
Game 2: He's mana screwed, I'm not

Round 2: Ravanger
Game 1: An early Sphere + Wire stun my mana development for too long
Game 2: First turn welder goes a long way, I topdeck shop to drop and activate slaver
Game 3: I have a Memnarch, he has mulitple clamps. We run out of time, but I was is a pretty bad board position.

Round 3: Drain-Slaver
Game 1: I Outdraw him with LoA, but cards don't matter when your opponent slavers you...
Game 2: I'm mana screwed and get beated down by 4 welder (my shaman and chalice for 0 stopped all his plans dead.)

Round 4: Drain-Slaver
Game 1: Somehwere I resolve welder en walk when he's tapped out. I slave him and wish for his own chain of vapor, pwned!!
Game 2: He slavers me, but can't do much. Little later Trike beats him down

Round 5: B/W Sui
Game 1: I chain of vapor a Scepter and go into slaver mode.
Game 2: I force a Chant and resolve welder and shaman. Memnarch > Negator ... actually I stole the Negator

Round 6: Dragon
Game 1: I resolve chalice for 2 and he topdecks Mancy
Game 2: See game 1, this time a verdant beat me though.


Karn was pretty good, and Chain of vapor was amazing. But the manabase was a little shaky and I lacked a good board against Dragon.

Koen

btw. I thought I was 9th on the final standing, doesnt matter much though, 9th is still bad  

[rvs]

btw. I thought I was 9th on the final standing, doesnt matter much though, 9th is still bad  

You were, until the guy who is in 9th now came up with a result from round3 or something where he won, and I put it into dcir wrong. He was also smart enough to tell me this AFTER handing out prizes. Some people....

[Thug]

You were, until the guy who is in 9th now came up with a result from round3 or something where he won, and I put it into dcir wrong. He was also smart enough to tell me this AFTER handing out prizes. Some people....

Man, I got to pull that trick once too, It sure gets you a lot of easy pairings  

[Smmenen]

Gee.  The first place deck looks familiar.  Now where have I seen that before?  


OH YEAH! http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16778

My SB exactly except for the Oxidize over 2nd Shaman and you choose the Gush over 3rd Intution (understandable).

Good Job Tom.  One question though: How was the Firestorm over Fire/Ice?  I'm still not certain of that move.  And there is one other potential change I was contemplating: 2nd Deed over the 3rd Shaman - which you have replaced with Oxidize.  Any thoughts?  How were the double BEBS and SB Shaman?  

Steve

[GotRealLucky]

Gee.  The first place deck looks familiar.  Now where have I seen that before?  


OH YEAH! http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16778

My SB exactly except for the Oxidize over 2nd Shaman and you choose the Gush over 3rd Intution (understandable).

Good Job Tom.  One question though: How was the Firestorm over Fire/Ice?  I'm still not certain of that move.  And there is one other potential change I was contemplating: 2nd Deed over the 3rd Shaman - which you have replaced with Oxidize.  Any thoughts?  How were the double BEBS and SB Shaman?  

Steve

I really liked the Firestorm. I only had to Wish for it once but in that game it turned a lost game into a win (see my previous post ). I missed Fire Ice in the last match I played because my opponent had a Maze of Ith but Time Walk solved that problem (though my opponent had to make a mistake for that to work, Mazing an unpumped Tog is pretty horrible). Fire Ice is helpfull sometimes but I wouldn't cut Firestorm for it, I think Firestorm will let you win more games than Fire Ice.

I didn't really like the Gush in this deck, it was a bit to situational. I'll try Merchant Scroll or Intuition over it next time.
I liked the Oxidize, depending on the matchup I switched artifact removal from sideboard to maindeck and the Oxidize gave me some more options.
The third Gorilla would have been nice but I didn't really miss it.
I don't think a second Deed is needed, between Firestorm and the artifact removal there aren't a lot of things this deck can't handle.
Blue Elemental Blast was great, I boarded it in against the 3 Slaver decks I played against and it served me well.

I never Wished for Vampiric Tutor and I'm thinking about cutting it. I haven't played against the Germbus deck but I'm thinking about adding a Terror or Terminate (probably Terror because getting 2 support colours is a bit difficult with all the Wastelands being played)

Tom

[Shades]

Agreed. You need a wishable Removal for things like Exalted Angels. But dont play Terminate or Terror, go and play Vendetta or Snuff Out, its easier to cast and not worse. Snuff Out was in my Sb like three month or so and it was always good.

Kim

[Smmenen]

I never Wished for Vampiric Tutor and I'm thinking about cutting it. I haven't played against the Germbus deck but I'm thinking about adding a Terror or Terminate (probably Terror because getting 2 support colours is a bit difficult with all the Wastelands being played)

Tom

I feel similarly about the Vamp tutor.  However, I will probably cut it to make room for Deep Anal.  I have really liked the 3rd Intuition though - as you can tell.  It has been nothing but a pleasure to draw.

Steve

[GotRealLucky]

I feel similarly about the Vamp tutor.  However, I will probably cut it to make room for Deep Anal.  I have really liked the 3rd Intuition though - as you can tell.  It has been nothing but a pleasure to draw.

Steve

I'll try the third Intuition, I'm sure it will be better than Gush in this deck. A Deep Analysis would be nice to have in the sideboard but I'm a bit worried about Exalted Angel. With one Wishable removal spell you don't have to worry too much about it. Snuff Out seems like a good idea. I was also thinking about Ghastly Demise but Snuff Out is a bit more reliable and flexible.

[Shades]

I feel similarly about the Vamp tutor.  However, I will probably cut it to make room for Deep Anal.  I have really liked the 3rd Intuition though - as you can tell.  It has been nothing but a pleasure to draw.

Steve

I'll try the third Intuition, I'm sure it will be better than Gush in this deck. A Deep Analysis would be nice to have in the sideboard but I'm a bit worried about Exalted Angel. With one Wishable removal spell you don't have to worry too much about it. Snuff Out seems like a good idea. I was also thinking about Ghastly Demise but Snuff Out is a bit more reliable and flexible.

The point about Ghastly Demise is, that it cant kill Dragons! If there is no Dragon in your area, you dont have to worry about it, but Snuff Out is a really nice surprise for your Dragon playing oppnent .

[GotRealLucky]

The point about Ghastly Demise is, that it cant kill Dragons! If there is no Dragon in your area, you dont have to worry about it, but Snuff Out is a really nice surprise for your Dragon playing oppnent .

I asume that you mean Wishing for a Snuff Out in responce to him trying to combo? If you play Ghastly Demise you can still go for BEB, it does basically the same thing. The biggest disadvantage of the Snuff Out is that you need an Underground Sea for it to work. Mox Jet is not good enough. So maybe Vendetta is the better option because a situation were you have black mana but no Underground Sea might happen against a deck with 5 Strips.

[Shades]

Not only for Cunning Wish, its just a surprise when you are tapped out and he tries to combo you out in the 2nd game. He doesnt expect a card that costs him all his perms, he thinks that your only chance to stop his combo is a force so he will try to combo you even if he cant back it up.

I won one game in a tourney against Dragon just because of the described situation.

And I never had a problem with having an underground sea in play when wishing for a removal.