Time to pop YET ANOTHER boner! [Veldalken Orrery]

[The Grim Reaper]

HELLO THAR!

Instant speed everything please.

Holy shit this card is INSANE

Discuss uses and lets get ready to BROKEN!

[Kowal]

Most sorceries aren't very good without the aid of mana drain mana.

Most artifacts would rather be played now anyway, so you can take your opponent's turn before they get to take it themselves, or to have negative effects on your opponent with tangle wire and smokestack.

Most enchantments suck.  Playing them on endstep won't make them better.

Playing Goblin Welder end of turn is cute.  Not particularly strong, but cute.

This is not something to pop a boner over.  Feel free to put them away, gentlemen.

[The Grim Reaper]

There has to be some sort of combo involving stacking sorceries/permanents... they'll arise soon enough.

[Loci]

Playing Goblin Welder end of turn is cute.  Not particularly strong, but cute.

Are you sure? You can Slave a full turn earlier and you do not have to protect it a whole turn extra.
On the other hand you'd probably loose that turn getting the artifact in play.  :lol:

I'm not sure, but I doubt this card is complete crap. I will have to give it more thought. I believe the key lies in looking to cards that are not currently in decks.

[Gabethebabe]

Great, with this card I can play my Portal 3 Kingdoms counterspells, which are sorceries and in the current rules on Sorceries quite useless

OMG: "At the end of your turn, I play Yawgmoth´s Will"

[Kowal]

You don't actually get to slave a turn sooner.  You just need to protect the welder for only an endstep before you can activate him.

Will at EOT is cute, but I doubt it's as strong as casting it on your own turn with Mana Drain mana.

Plus, this thing sucks up card slots, 4 mana, and is crap in a topdeck war.

[InZane]

lol... with this card you can counter spells with chalice of the void or make a respons with standstill... instant Decree, instant Balance, instant draw7... this is a really great card... i think it will se alot of play...

[Dr. Sylvan]

lol... with this card you can counter spells with chalice of the void or make a respons with standstill... instant Decree, instant Balance, instant draw7... this is a really great card... i think it will se alot of play...

[card]Chalice of the Void[/card], [card]Standstill[/card].

They already played the spell. Neither of these cards works if played in response.

Why play this card instead of something that actually has an effect? This is the Crusade of sorceries.

[Toad]

It costs and does nothing on its own.
I hardly see this being broken.

[rozetta]

This card is, in all likelyhood, more of a reason for a boner than any of the other previews or rumours we've seen so far. It is also not a card which applies only to Workshop-based decks; 4 colourless mana is not too harsh for most decks to handle, and thus it should not be considered only for putting into artifact-based decks. Control could, for instance, benefit the most from a card like this.

The implications are quite far-reached. Examples:
- previously not-so-useable card drawing sorceries are now viable (or more viable), e.g. Deep Analysis, Braingeyser
- instant speed duress, anyone?
- bomb sorceries like Demonic Tutor, Yawgwill, Balance, Wheel, Twister and Time Walk are now instant speed
- opponent no longer gets full advantage of a draw-7 if you have one of these in play (especially Jar)
- as noticed, instant speed artifacts for surprise value (include, for instance, even moxes, crypt or lotus for surprise mana)
- instant speed creatures such as EOT mox monkey, Psychatog, Angel

Like Crucible, this is one of those "separate the haves and have-nots" sort of cards. The ability to play anything at instant speed either EOT or in response to another effect is extremely powerful. What's more, conventional artifact hate such as Null Rod or Damping Matrix does nothing to these permanents. The only problems these two cards have is that they "do nothing" on their own (the "bad in a topdecking war" arguement).

[Smmenen]

Great, with this card I can play my Portal 3 Kingdoms counterspells, which are sorceries and in the current rules on Sorceries quite useless

OMG: "At the end of your turn, I play Yawgmoth´s Will"

LOL.  I'm sure there are some funky combos with Enchantments, Sorcieries, and Artifacts that happen when played at instant speed and I'll be looking for them...but not too quickly becuase it would still be a 3 card combo.

Steve

[Crazy Pierre]

Great, with this card I can play my Portal 3 Kingdoms counterspells, which are sorceries and in the current rules on Sorceries quite useless

OMG: "At the end of your turn, I play Yawgmoth´s Will"

LOL.  I'm sure there are some funky combos with Enchantments, Sorcieries, and Artifacts that happen when played at instant speed and I'll be looking for them...but not too quickly becuase it would still be a 3 card combo.

Steve

Off the top of my had how bad would:

Balance
Yawgmoth's Will
Mindslaver
Memory Jar
Any of the tutors (not Vampiric)
Time Walk (likely not that relevant...)
Academy Rector
Etc...

You guys think we'll be seeing these in Workshop decks? We're testing them here in Ottawa right now...

This ability seems just too good.

As an aside, does the "You" clause mean only its controller can do it?

Pierre

[PucktheCat]

This will be cool in formats where creatures matter.  It lets you do the Arrogant Wurm = Flametoungue Kavu trick with anything.

I can't quite see how it will make a big difference in T1, mostly because every deck is already accustomed to dealing with bombs EOT with things like Intuition, Fact or Fiction, etc.  This will give some new decks that ability, but it won't be a surprise because the artifact will have to be cast, and it will cost you a turns mana and a card.

There may be some broken interaction I am missing though.

Leo

[Zharradan]

The best use I see for this card is that you can sell it.

Other than that.. it seems far too fragile for a combo relying on stacking sorcery effects - you'll end up with a hand full of shit sorceries that you can't do anything with cause you don't have this artifact in play. While duressing someone in response to their brainstorm is interesting, the card seems like too much investment (you'd need 3 or 4 in your deck, plus the mana to cast it, plus all copies of it after the first are useless) for too little reward.

[Jebus]

As an aside, does the "You" clause mean only its controller can do it?

"You" always refers to just the controller.

[Ric_Flair]

I think we need a new phrase to express excitement over Magic cards.  I mean if they had like pictures of Jessica Simpson on them and she was naked it might be more understandable, sad, but at least understandable.  I refused to discuss Magic cards in terms of their boner popping capacity.  I am reserving my boners for...um...real uses.

[Razvan]

I think we need a new phrase to express excitement over Magic cards. I mean if they had like pictures of Jessica Simpson on them and she was naked it might be more understandable, sad, but at least understandable. I refused to discuss Magic cards in terms of their boner popping capacity. I am reserving my boners for...um...real uses.

Oh, my, God. I thought the exact same thing yesterday, with Jessica Simpson too... hm...

As for the orrery, it's a fun card, but I doubt that it will have such a large impact. The only thing I can think off the top of my head is mass-removal (aka Pernicious Deed), which might take out another permanent or so.

Meh.

[Machinus]

There have been many times when I have wanted to contruct strong synergistic interactions between cards but was prohibited because of stacking rules. With this card there are a lot of things that can be done that people have always dismissed and forgot about because they were impossible before. Okay, sure, its not going to revolutionize the format, fine. But there is a lot that can be done with this, and it is worth experimenting with.

[jdl]

In the realm of cute EOT effects, Prosperity comes to mind.  You could run the entire ProsBloom engine on your opponent's EOT if you really wanted to.  All you have to do is figure out how to not kill yourself in the process.  

[Matt]

"In response, I cast Humility."

<3 Jebus <3

[Jacob Orlove]

"In response, I cast Humility."

<3 Jebus <3

Savage. Now we can stack those effects in even more confusing ways.

[Swanky]

A card such as this one will ask a higher price initially, but it will slowly dip until it reaches 1 dollar rare status when people realize the card has no amazing constructed potential (speaking in the context of the current card pool).  Once that happens, though, I'll probably pick up a playset for a fun multiplayer deck.  Instant creatures in multiplayer = not so bad.

Winding Canyons = pwnd.

[bomholmm]

this card is so cool in type 4

also it should have been white to go with whites whole "changing the rules" theme.

[MrZuccinniHead]

secret tech with this card

[Crazy Pierre]

secret tech with this card

What is it?

No one besides me is reading.

 

[Matt]

Holy mother of god, did someone amend the rules to "oh, go ahead and post whatever useless dreck you want that should have been kept to PM, we really don't mind"? NO. Closed because people don't know how to read the goddamn rules.[/color]