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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/announce/dci20040601aAnnouncement Date: June 1, 2004
Effective Date: June 20, 2004
Standard
Skullclamp is banned
Mirrodin Block Constructed
Skullclamp is banned
Extended
No changes
Type 1
No changes
Type 1.5
(All cards on the Type 1 Banned and Restricted Lists are banned in Type 1.5.)
Here is an explanation of the changes from Magic R&D:
Skullclamp
Whenever one card appears in the majority of the decks played in major tournaments, R&D takes a long hard look at banning it. While the current Standard and Mirrodin Block Constructed metagames have room for multiple decks to succeed, and there are answers available to Skullclamp, that isn’t enough to make for a healthy environment. Every deck is required to warp itself around this one-mana card, and almost every successful deck abuses it. In addition, games that involve Skullclamp simply aren’t as much fun to play, especially when those are the only kinds of games going on.
For a more in-depth explanation of the reasons behind this bannings, tune in to Aaron Forsythe’s “Latest Developments� column on magicthegathering.com on Friday, June 4.
There you have it. All restriction rumors turn out to be just rumors (this time). The meta is set for Origins and GenCon, as well as several other BIG events between now and GenCon. Sure would like to have seen a few of those UNrestrictions... 
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 12:01:25 am » |
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All I can say: Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1... Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1... Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1... Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1... Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...etc...  It feels good to know that endless whining didn't get it done.  |
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Insult my mother, insult my sister, insult my girlfriend... but never ever use the words "restrict" and "Workshop" in the same sentence...
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2004, 12:09:56 am » |
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All I can say:
Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...
Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...
Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...
Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...
Workshop didn't get banned in Type 1... Bazaar of Baghdad didn't get banned in Type 1...
etc... It feels good to know that endless whining didn't get it done. Fortunately, the metagame was able to quell Workshop Slaver, Dragon, and Oshawa, the decks that abused those lands the most. There was definitely no domination of Workshop.dec or Bazaar.dec. In addition, Wastelands have become more prevalent through Fish. Neither card was anywhere near as broken as the chicken little's of the world made it seem. |
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 02:02:46 am » |
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Nothing new needed restriction, so to reiterate, thank goodness those whiners didn't sway the DCI's opinion. However, I completely agree that they could have at least considered our proposals for unrestriction, since there were some serious no-brainers on that list (like Fork).
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 07:20:11 am » |
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Whenever one card appears in the majority of the decks played in major tournaments, R&D takes a long hard look at banning it Hmmmm...... how many of these can we count for type 1 play, kids? Force Ancestral Walk Brainstorm Goblin Welder Just to ramble off a few... Every once in a while, they've gotta let us have a broken card or two! (even in T2) |
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 07:38:45 am » |
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just fyi, ancestral and time walk are already restricted. A majority of the decks don't use welder just one of the tier 1 decks. Force is used in 80% of the field because it has to be, restricting that would make combo unbeatable. FoW is the glue that holds type 1 together, as someone once put it. While brainstorm is widely used it is blatently not broken.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2004, 09:53:08 am » |
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Yeah, let's throw Brainstorm out there to be considered for restriction. Brainstorm/Fetch is TEH BAH-ROKEN draw engine. Seriously, good call from the powers that be to just leave Type I alone. If it ain't (too) broken, don't fix it. Control Slaver seems to be the current Mindslaver deck of choice based on what I've been seeing, and Stax, Stacker and 7/10 are certainly not jumping out in front of the field, either. Letting us keep playing with our Workshops is a no-brainer. |
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 10:06:13 am » |
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 I wasn't suggesting they be restricted/banned I was simply saying that if the quoted rules were really the DCI's guidelines for banning cards, then Type 1 would be missing the cards that I listed... I think you guys took what I said a little bit too seriously.... |
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2004, 10:09:28 am » |
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I wasn't suggesting they be restricted/banned I was simply saying that if the quoted rules were really the DCI's guidelines for banning cards, then Type 1 would be missing the cards that I listed... I think you guys took what I said a little bit too seriously.... You must realize that Type 1 is a completely different animal from Type 2, so the policies applied to one format don't nescessarily apply to another. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2004, 10:18:22 am » |
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I would love to see things like voltaic key or fork unrestricted, but why fix something when it's not broken. Thanx DCI and R&D.
(on the selfish side, I'm grateful that workshop is not restricted, since if workshop gets restricted it won't take long until we say bye bye to cunning wish, which kisses my deck goodbye =(....but I still hate workshop with a passion no less)
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 11:14:56 am » |
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I wasn't suggesting they be restricted/banned I was simply saying that if the quoted rules were really the DCI's guidelines for banning cards, then Type 1 would be missing the cards that I listed... I think you guys took what I said a little bit too seriously.... You must realize that Type 1 is a completely different animal from Type 2, so the policies applied to one format don't nescessarily apply to another. Or the fact that you build a deck around Skullclamp, not around Brainstorm. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2004, 11:30:03 am » |
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Or the fact that you build a deck around Skullclamp, not around Brainstorm. This sounds like a challenge for JP-man! |
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2004, 11:37:07 am » |
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There are not much tourments with more than 16/32 Welders in the top 8.
But there are in T2 with skullclamp.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2004, 12:21:13 pm » |
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There are not much tourments with more than 16/32 Welders in the top 8.
But there are in T2 with skullclamp. German Nationals: 31 Skullclamps in the t8. |
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2004, 12:49:34 pm » |
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That's the reason it had to be banned, every good deck just utilized it to the best. 75% of possible clamps being used in the t8 is too good.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2004, 01:10:43 pm » |
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That's the reason it had to be banned, every good deck just utilized it to the best. 75% of possible clamps being used in the t8 is too good. Just a nitpick, but if you meant the post above yours, then it's ~97%, which makes it almost a four-of in every deck. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2004, 02:37:49 pm » |
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No news is good news, go DCI. Now get earthcraft amd fork off the list and we'll be just a little bit happier. It's nice to see the nonsense about bazaar and workshop quelled, hopefully once and for all.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2004, 12:24:47 pm » |
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Personally, I would _really_ like to see fork unrestricted. It's not that powerful at all, and gives straight burn a chance. I LOVE STRAIGHT BURN even though it sucks poo, and would suck poo even with 4 forks.
I misdirected a browbeat the other day. How cool is that?
I'd make a burn deck in a second to screw around with if fork were unresticted.
However, I don't have anything to complain about. Type 1 right now is the best it's ever been, and although I think it could do better by allowing fork to be unrestricted, I don't have anything to complain about.
Good job, DCI in banning skullclamp, even though I was really looking to make a cool ironworks/skullclamp combo deck. (It killed 3rd and 4th turn ALL THE TIME.)
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2004, 12:38:34 pm » |
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About me saying 75% was not about that nationals, but all of U.S. regionals. I'm with everyone who says getting fork unrestricted since it's not that good at all. If they unrestrict earthcraft it would make many more people play 1.5 because of it's budget-ness possibilites.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2004, 12:40:34 pm » |
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If they unrestrict earthcraft it would make many more people play 1.5 because of it's budget-ness possibilites. I'm pretty sure 1.5 is the reason Earthcraft is restricted and won't be comming back any time soon. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2004, 03:21:29 pm » |
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Dragon is faster than earthcraft in 1.5 so there's no reason Earthcraft should stay banned in 1.5, let alone restricted in type 1.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2004, 04:57:48 pm » |
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although i have had no calms with bazaar or workshop since the metagame keeps them down... the only problem that i wanted to see get restricted was....
Cunning Wish
It's ridiculous. Think of it as a mystical tutor that's unrestricted. Cunning wish allows a player to have an extra 15 cards in his/her deck. Those "toolbox" spells are a bit powerful.
We already know that blue is broken. Can't we weaken it a bit? I am not talking about cutting force of will (counters) or brainstorm (draw) but why does blue also get to be the "toolbox" color? All the other colors in type 1 aren't worth anything.
Blue: Counters and Draw (and currently "toolbox")
White: Ultimate support color
Green: O Stompy, Dryad
Black: Duress, yawgmoth's Will
Red: Rack and Ruins, Goblins
Brown: Played
Lands: Waste, Strip
It's as if the only colors left in type 1 are artifacts and blue.
If cunning wish were restricted... it would weaken GAT, Tog and Keeperesque type decks. Possibly sometime after that, workshop would get restricted. But if something doesn't occur sometime in the future, then the only decks left will be blue and artifacts. The fact that we're in the "artifact mirrodin block" in type 2 doesn't help to bring the other colors new interesting cards. Perhaps we should wait to see what CoK has for us.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2004, 05:04:17 pm » |
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This explanation was given regarding the Cunning Wish not too long ago (when Burning Wish was restricted).
"Most “tutors� are restricted in Type 1 because it defeats the purpose of restricting a card if you can play four copies of an efficient way to go get it. Since the most powerful cards in Type 1 are sorceries (Yawgmoth's Will, Timetwister, Balance, Mind Twist, etc.) it was possible to play the equivalent of four copies of any one of these simple by moving it into your sideboard. Interestingly, Cunning Wish was left off the restricted list because the one extra mana combined with the fact that Type 1 has less powerful instants than sorceries means it does not appear to be a problem."
Personally, I don't see Cunning Wish being all that distorting. There isn't anything right now that is completely dominating the format, and Cunning Wish certainly isn't.
Is it a good card? Hell yes it is.
Blue has access to the sideboard just like everyone else. They get instants. Instants happen to be the most helpful support cards, but does this make it overpowered?
So, other colors suck. Perhaps those colors should be made better, rather than Blue weaker.
How much weaker do you expect decks to be with only one Wish? Not too much.
Are they so powerful that they need to be weaker? Not really.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2004, 07:52:38 pm » |
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Thank you Jebus. Cunning wish is fair, mainly because it doesn't fuel combo. Burning was fine, almost every deck that ran it with exception of long wasn't showing abuse in the format. Same with LED, these cards were fine except for one damn deck. No deck that runs Cunning is in a stage of abuse and "toolbox" is not that critical a development in SB construction. No deck even runs Cunning X4, 2-3 showing that even the decks that use it don't think of it as the center of the deck.
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