[T1]3c-Keeper with Oath-Engine in SB - please comment!

[MatzeXXL]

I found this deck to be very strong against anything i played against (full-powered T1 Welder, Atog, Keeper, all Aggro (including Sui and Madness), Belcher, only Landstill ive not played against.

I haven't lost a single game.

Now I would appeciate your comments and suggestions how to improve it.
The main deck is constructed to work well against all control and Combo but some elements provide potential against Aggro and atrifact-decks.
The SB is built to beat all aggro down what also works very well.


The list:

1 Library o. A.
4 Tropical Island
4 Undergroud Sea
4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
4 Mishra's Factory    ---->can also block under Crucible each round

1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
2 Misdirection
2 Stifle

4 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Fact or Fiction

2 Morphling        ---> against Control better then Exalted

1 Time Walk
1 Mind Twist
4 Duress               ---->always good against Control and Combo

1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Regrowth

2 Pernicious Deed


1 Crucible of Worlds          ----->more in SB, e.g. against Landstill and 4c


The SB:

4 Oath of Druids
1 Akroma
1 Exalted Angel
2 Gaea's Blessing ------>side in against all Aggro

2 Crucible of Worlds
3 Arcane Laboratory    ---->against Tendrils and Affinity
2 Tormod's Crypt        ---->against Dragon,Reanimator and Atog

What can I improve?
Can I enhance my disruption potential vs. control even more?

What I thought about was:

-Diabolic Edict, for a tinkered DS Colossus or an early Welder, but Deed seems to be better (but slower)
-more Manlands (but I need all colored mana)
-Holistic Wisdom (is extremely powerful when i get Ancestral played but 2 green is often not pissible, at first I have to fetch for Underground Sea for Duress and other cards.....)

[Timewalker]

Have considered White as the third color? This gives you access to stp and funeral pyre. I must admit that black is quite tempting with all its broken cards and all, but blue can make up for the lack of tutoring with redundant library manipulation i.e. impulse etc. Stp is the best removal spell in the game and it deals with all those unwanted critters on the table.
If black really is your preference, then why not coffin purge in the sb instead of crypt? I don't really believe arc lab is the best sb for the mentioned decks.
Stifle is quite adequate to deal with draw 7 and tps etc. I noticed you dont run the full SoLoMoxen so why not consider null rod in the board? Nothing wrecks ravager decks like the old "Love Rod".

Just some thoughts...Cheers!

[Moxlotus]

How does this deck not lose to any artifact deck?  No StP or F/I.  7/10 should rape this thing hardcore.  And don't say "I haven't lost a game."  No deck is perfect and it also depends on the builds and test partner.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Moved to Newbie.

[MatzeXXL]

Hmmm...Null Rod is really a nice idea.

For the decks tactic (crucibles, Manlands, Wastes) more then 3 colors arent possible. But i prefer bacl much over white alone because of Duress, not to mention the tutors.
Black can not be thrown out.

And StoP isnt important because i have my Oath-SB and Deed Main.
Against fast Suis i could play Edict but i dont like it much.
Against Draw7 i could put Thran Foundry in the Deck.
This could replace Tormods Crypt!

Its nearly as good....and can also work against Dragon and Atog....

I didnt say that this deck beats everything but it seems to be very strong.
What about being constructive and giving me some hints, Moxlotus?
I am not cocky i simply like it  

What could save me better from Tendrils as the Lab?

Maybe Null Rod (which is very good against artifact decks indeed !) can help here because of all the artifact mana and Eggs..... maybe replace Crypts by Foundries and Lab by Null Rod??

[Negator]

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[TrixR4Kidz]

Well quite frankly, Morphling is done, I would use a better choice then him,  He's pretty much obsolete these days, keeping open mana to protect him is weak.  And if your gonna go with oath of druids control, try the big 11/11 trampler baby, gotta love seeing him around.  It looks alot like the keeper deck I ran last year.

[AngryPheldagrif]

If you're running Oath on your board, you need more than a single Akroma. Good choices would include:
[card]Platinum Angel[/card]: Probably not what you want against control and other stuff thats going to pack artifact hate, but it's great tech against random aggro and such.

[card]Darksteel Colossus[/card]: I consider this the single best card you can possibly Oath in, however it is still vulnerable against both StP and, more importantly, Goblin Welder. What many people overlook is that they can just Weld him back into your deck and at very least cost you a couple turns worth of effort. Still godly against Tog and random stuff.

[card]Plated Slagwurm[/card]: Yes a card with no evasion that takes 4 turns to kill isn't so optimal, but the fact that it isn't an artifact AND is StP-proof is enough to at least warrant consideration.

[card]Phantom Nishoba[/card]: The classic tech, instant game against pretty much anything that doesn't pack StP. Finds Fish and Quirion Dryads both crunchy and delicious. Vulnerablility to Triskelion is annoying.


Overall, I'd try a Darksteel Colossus and a Plated Slagwurm. The problem with running all Colossus's is that if your opponent gets a Memnarch out you're going to find your creatures very quickly hitting right back at you. Having a Slagwurm ensures that you've got a card that solves everything short of a mass effect or Diabolic Edict. Also, use Krosan Reclamation over Blessing. Reclamation is better for regaining lost creatures. Since you're not running Living Wish anywhere, keep some counters open after Oath, since StP is a real bitch when you're only running 1 or 2 creatures.

As for the main deck, you're missing a ton of the key components of 4cControl. Choosing green makes sense for your sideboard, but it is a terrible maindeck color. Your lack of StP and Fire/Ice mean that you've got to rely on countering or Deeding for Welders, which is risky at best, and suicide at worst. I cannot realistically see this build doing much more than rolling over and dying to 7/10 and Stax. At very minimum, cut the MisDs, Stifles, and Crucible. All those are suboptimal maindeck choices. Up the Moxen count and add Skeletal Scrying and Yawgmoth's Will. The Will is just a given for brokenness in this deck, and the Scryings are needed for additional card drawing. Cut the 'Phlings for Angels and think about some Damping Matrices, either maindeck or sideboard.

-Dan

[Jacob Orlove]

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