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« on: July 13, 2004, 04:00:46 am »

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Is it possible to Stifle a City of Brass when it's tapped for mana, preventing the player from getting the mana from the brass in the mana pool?

Is it possible to do the same with a basic land?

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2004, 04:06:06 am »

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Hello!

Is it possible to Stifle a City of Brass when it's tapped for mana, preventing the player from getting the mana from the brass in the mana pool?

Is it possible to do the same with a basic land?

Thanks!


No. Mana abilities don't use the stack, so you can't respond to your opponent tapping a land (or mox, or sol ring, or even metalworker) for mana.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2004, 04:11:57 am »

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No. Mana abilities don't use the stack, so you can't respond to your opponent tapping a land (or mox, or sol ring, or even metalworker) for mana.

I thought you could stifle a mox, lotus, sol ring and so on because they are treated as instant effects...
I know tapping a land doesn't.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2004, 04:21:39 am »

No, they are mana abilities. And mana abilities don't use the stack. Sometimes it is better to take a close look to the errata. Take the metalworker for example. It could appear "stiffleable", but it is written that's a mana ability, so it does not use the stack.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2004, 05:58:03 am »

Seeing the combination stifle / city of brass, how does the trigger of 1 damage of the city of brass go with priority questions? If player A taps a city of brass, is priority passed to player B because of the triggered ability on the stack? I would think so, but would like to see it confirmed.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2004, 06:19:23 am »

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Seeing the combination stifle / city of brass, how does the trigger of 1 damage of the city of brass go with priority questions? If player A taps a city of brass, is priority passed to player B because of the triggered ability on the stack? I would think so, but would like to see it confirmed.


Yes, it is. But the mana is already in the pool when the priority is passed.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2004, 09:49:03 am »

Priority is not passed until you pass it.

If you tap a City of Brass for mana, its trigger goes on the stack, but you don't pass priority until you wish to.

Since there is a trigger on the stack, you'll have to pass before playing a non-instant, so the trigger resolves.

However, priority is not automatically passed.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2004, 09:53:57 am »

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Priority is not passed until you pass it.

If you tap a City of Brass for mana, its trigger goes on the stack, but you don't pass priority until you wish to.

Since there is a trigger on the stack, you'll have to pass before playing a non-instant, so the trigger resolves.

However, priority is not automatically passed.


Yes, of course. What I was trying to point out was simply that the mana going to the pool does not use the stack, while the triggered ability uses it instead. Of course you don't have to pass priority immediatly if you don't want to, and you maybe want to cast an instant before, such as in an example I've seen recently: being at 1 hp, tapping a CoB and casting a bolt in response to kill the opponent before being killed by the CoB's triggered ability.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2004, 11:19:52 am »

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Hello!

Is it possible to Stifle a City of Brass when it's tapped for mana, preventing the player from getting the mana from the brass in the mana pool?

Is it possible to do the same with a basic land?

Thanks!

Stifle says on the card that mana abilities can't be countered.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2004, 01:31:43 am »

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Hello!

Is it possible to Stifle a City of Brass when it's tapped for mana, preventing the player from getting the mana from the brass in the mana pool?

Is it possible to do the same with a basic land?

Thanks!

Stifle says on the card that mana abilities can't be countered.

If I had an english Sifle I would have seen that  :lol:
Right now my Stifle's is from China.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2004, 02:42:17 am »

Learn what your cards say plztks.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2004, 02:57:57 am »

For this and for every other card whose text you're missing:

http://www.magiccards.info/?search
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2004, 01:14:23 pm »

that's what people get for pimpage  Razz

Ok, I think this has gone far enough.
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