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It's getting closer and closer to Gencon, which means everyone's getting hyped up about card choices and super sideboard tech. However, we still need to have a little fun too, so here's a question that usually starts a fun little discussion: What, do you feel, is the most broken card of the modern era?
The modern era starts with 6th edition, which, of course, brought in simplified and more sensical rules. So this discussion only considers cards printed in Mercadian Masques and after. R & D changed the way sets were designed after the disasterous and embarassing Urza block, so that's another good reason to start the "modern era" there.
You can consider a card's interaction with older cards, but do not consider a card that is only included in one deck in some combo (e.g., Worldgorger Dragon perhaps). This question is subject to a lot of bias, but tried to be as unbiased in your answer as possible.
My vote goes to Fact or Fiction. Its power in conjuction with Yawg's Will is outrageous, and it's ability to get around Chains of Mephistopheles is also great. I don't think we would ever see or consider Chains if FoF were the primary card advantage engine in competitive decks today. I give my vote to FoF instead of Mind's Desire because Desire, while outrageously powerful, especially in multiples, requires a lot of work to use effectively, while Fact or Fiction just gets fired off eot or nearly free off drain mana.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 11:39:39 am » |
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Crucible of Worlds
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 11:46:20 am » |
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it's gotta be Mind's Desire. That card is so broken it was restricted before it even came out. Think of how broken this card is as a one of. Now think of it as a 4 of. Can you even imagine the monster a type one Twiddle-Desire deck would be?
My second choice is probably Gush. Free draw is awefully broken, and the fact that it protects your lands just makes it better. If you have fastbond or a Tog out it's just stupid.
FoF is my third choice because it's the only one here that is almost never mana positive.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 11:49:28 am » |
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 11:55:52 am » |
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I'd have to go with Mind's Desire, simply on the back of how broken the Storm mechanic is. Desire wins games upon being cast, so it has to be the most broken card in the modern era. FoF is amazingly good, but it doesn't win the game by being cast as Desire does. I also think Psychatog deserves some props here. A creature that swings for the kill if it resolves is some good.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 11:56:38 am » |
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[Berserk Murlodont] Heck, the entire Legions set would qualify as beyond B0rk3n (or something). 
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 11:57:34 am » |
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Crucible is starting to make the phrase "whoever wins the coin flip wins the game" true, thus my vote goes for Crucible.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2004, 12:01:36 pm » |
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 12:02:46 pm » |
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Desire made the phrase "whoever wins the coin flip wins the game" true, thus my vote goes for Desire.
Thats assuming it wasn't restricted immediatly, but because it was that was never true at an actual tournament. If you restrict Crucible then that statement is also not true.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 12:04:04 pm » |
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Actually, I totally forgot about Crucible. :lol:
I still think Desire is more broken than Crucible but Crucible is clearly more broken then FoF or Gush.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2004, 12:08:58 pm » |
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Mystic Snake? Counters a threat, unexpected ninja, and more inportantly, IT CAN COUNTER A BERSERK MURLODONT! 0/\/\|=G, I mean that takes out atleast half the format. I think a purging of this site is in need, half the people are illiterate noobs, and the other forty-five percent are good players but are assholes to the noobs, and tease them endlessly (see: Kowal, The hamburgler, Hulkrules, etc.) the other five percent that completes the cake are the good, nice players (population:1) (see: The Atog Lord). Maybe EVERYONE should re-lose their accounts, so this way we don't get fucktards sitting on a VA or Full member, not putting anything towards the community, they wont fuck around if they have something they're looking to earn.
Mods, if you think this is warning, or delete or edit worthy, thats fine, just my thoughts. Freedom of speech is so key :p.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2004, 12:21:21 pm » |
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Brainstorm was printed in MM. Does that count?
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2004, 01:53:20 pm » |
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I go for Mind's Desire.
But we shall see after the summer when all the major tournaments are out of the way as to just how powerful Crucible really is.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2004, 07:52:49 pm » |
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Mind's Desire > Skullclamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
Mind's Desire is quite possibly the most ridiculous card ever printed. It's like Yawgmoth's Will, except that it also generates like 10 mana when you cast it.
However, if Null Rod didn't exist I would put Skullclamp above it, with the reasoning that Skullclamp has been insanely broken in every format ever except Type 1, while Mind's Desire was only insanely broken in Type 1. The only reason that Skullclamp isn't insane in Type 1 is because of Null Rod.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2004, 09:33:44 pm » |
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Is Yawgmoth's Will considered modern era? I have been playing since the end of Legends/beginning of Dark, so Saga is definitely modern era. Memory Jar also counts. If those cards are too old then Mind's Desire and Skullclamp.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2004, 11:09:18 pm » |
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Yawg's Will doesn't count because Saga was played under the antiquitated 5th edition rules. The way sets are designed has changed since R&D made a bunch of asses out of themselves with the Urza block, forcing the DCI to ban nearly everything good in the set. This wouldn't be much of a discussion if Saga were included, now would it? I also asked this question at my local store at both T1 and T2 tourneys. Nearly all the T2 players said Skullclamp, so it's interesting that someone here would agree.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2004, 12:31:38 am » |
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However, if Null Rod didn't exist I would put Skullclamp above it, with the reasoning that Skullclamp has been insanely broken in every format ever except Type 1, while Mind's Desire was only insanely broken in Type 1. The only reason that Skullclamp isn't insane in Type 1 is because of Null Rod.
I will happily pit my unrestricted Type 1 Desire deck against you with any deck from any format that plays Skullclamp. To make it interesting, let's put some money on the line, preferrably in the quadruple/quintuple digits. I promise I won't play Null Rod either.
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2004, 11:18:00 am » |
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However, if Null Rod didn't exist I would put Skullclamp above it, with the reasoning that Skullclamp has been insanely broken in every format ever except Type 1, while Mind's Desire was only insanely broken in Type 1. The only reason that Skullclamp isn't insane in Type 1 is because of Null Rod.
I will happily pit my unrestricted Type 1 Desire deck against you with any deck from any format that plays Skullclamp. To make it interesting, let's put some money on the line, preferrably in the quadruple/quintuple digits. I promise I won't play Null Rod either. Skullclamp was broken in Limited, banned in Block and Standard, and based on the article on MTG.com this week, will in all liklihood be banned in Extended. Mind's Desire was unplayable in Limited, Block, and Standard and mediocore in Extended.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2004, 02:52:44 pm » |
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Standstill :lol:
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