Moxlotus
Teh Absolut Ballz
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 2199
Where the fuck are my pants?
|
 |
« on: August 30, 2004, 01:45:43 pm » |
|
Just to clarify, even though it seems self explanitory.
My opponent has Tolarian Academy.
I play my academy and they both go to the graveyard correct?
If so I love this new legend rule.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2004, 01:47:40 pm » |
|
Althought I don't have the official rule in front of me yet, the scenario you present should be correct.
*edit*Ok, now I actuall DO have the rule.
420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.� If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.
So yeah, it works like you describe.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
JSexton
|
|
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2004, 04:08:30 pm » |
|
Althought I don't have the official rule in front of me yet, the scenario you present should be correct.
*edit*Ok, now I actuall DO have the rule.
420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.� If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.
So yeah, it works like you describe. Where did you get the new Comp Rules, Jebus? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
--
Justin
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2004, 04:12:10 pm » |
|
The rule was retroactively added to Maro's article.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
JSexton
|
|
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2004, 04:43:45 pm » |
|
Ah. Well, good on them for correcting such a ridiculous typo that left thousands of noobs wondering why all legends went straight to the graveyard no matter what upon summoning now, and why they'd print more of them.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
--
Justin
|
|
|
|
brianb
|
|
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2004, 04:44:21 pm » |
|
Did he say when it will be effective? Immediately? When the new legends set cycles in?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
everythingitouchdies
Guest
|
|
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2004, 04:44:58 pm » |
|
If My opponent plays tolarian academy while I have it in play, it destroys my tolarian academy right? So can I teferi's response that?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2004, 04:47:44 pm » |
|
Did he say when it will be effective? Immediately? When the new legends set cycles in? No, he didn't say. It doesn't appear to be effective immediately. I'll try and find out more. Normally rules changes like this are effective when the new version of the comp rules is released. If My opponent plays tolarian academy while I have it in play, it destroys my tolarian academy right? So can I teferi's response that? No. It isn't a spell or ability and it isn't targeting your land. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Jacob Orlove
Official Time Traveller of TMD
Administrator
Basic User
Posts: 8074
When am I?
|
|
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2004, 04:48:00 pm » |
|
If My opponent plays tolarian academy while I have it in play, it destroys my tolarian academy right? So can I teferi's response that? No. Both academies are put into the graveyard by the game rules. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Team Meandeck: O Lord,
Guard my tongue from evil and my lips from speaking guile.
To those who slander me, let me give no heed.
May my soul be humble and forgiving to all.
|
|
|
|
johnstown713
|
|
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2004, 05:18:10 pm » |
|
If this legend rule takes effect on October 20th then what do you do about the pre-releases?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Collecting Alpha Mons's Goblin Raiders:
Current Count 148
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2004, 08:01:11 pm » |
|
If this legend rule takes effect on October 20th then what do you do about the pre-releases? It will be in effect for the pre-release as well. It will also be in effect prior to Oct. 20th I would surmise. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Petey4335
|
|
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2004, 10:40:06 am » |
|
How would this interact with Unnatural Selection?
ex: If I make Grim Lavamancer(a) lengendary and then make Grim Lavamancer(b) legendary would these both go to the graveyard?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2004, 11:11:39 am » |
|
How would this interact with Unnatural Selection?
ex: If I make Grim Lavamancer(a) lengendary and then make Grim Lavamancer(b) legendary would these both go to the graveyard? Unnatural Selection has no interaction here, as it cannot change Supertypes. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Matt
Post like a butterfly, Mod like a bee.
Adepts
Basic User
Posts: 2297
King of the Jews!
|
|
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2004, 01:17:18 pm » |
|
So will Legend no longer be a creature type? I ask because my friend, Mistform Ultimus, is very nervous about whether he'll be able to hoist the Coat of Arms at the next olympics.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
http://www.goodgamery.com/pmo/c025.GIF---------------------- SpenceForHire2k7: Its unessisary SpenceForHire2k7: only spelled right SpenceForHire2k7: <= world english teach evar ---------------------- noitcelfeRmaeT {Team Hindsight}
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2004, 01:34:17 pm » |
|
So will Legend no longer be a creature type? I ask because my friend, Mistform Ultimus, is very nervous about whether he'll be able to hoist the Coat of Arms at the next olympics. It seems pretty obvious that Legend will be removed as a subtype and all Legends will be given the Legendary Supertype. Mistform Ultimus should be no exception and should also receive the Legendary Supertype, since he's a legend for flavor purposes as well as mechanical. Besides, Coat of Arms with Mistform Ultimus isn't that big a deal anyway. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Cavius The Great
Basic User
Posts: 379
I'm realer than you.
|
|
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2004, 04:14:35 pm » |
|
From the way that I read that article he clearly states the new rule is whenever another legend with the same name comes into play it destroys the first one. You people got too caught up in the "legend rule" and didn't interpret the article as a whole. He clearly explains that the second legend in play will cause the first one to be sacrificed while the second will remain in play, from what my understanding. Reread the article, I'm pretty sure I'm correct.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Creator of Nourishing Lich & Enchantress Bloom.
PM me if you're interested in serious Vintage testing on MWS.
|
|
|
Ephraim
Adepts
Basic User
Posts: 2938
The Casual Adept
|
|
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2004, 04:21:57 pm » |
|
Jebus quoted the rules text from the comprehensive rulebook. I think I'm going to take that over any interpretation of a non-rules description of what's going on. Note that the rules text also appears in MaRo's article (It was added retroactively.) The comprehensive rules clearly state that all legendary permanents with the same name are put into their owners' graveyards. Totally unambiguous.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Did you know that Red is the color or art and music and passion? Combine that with Green, the color of nature, spiritualism, and community and you get a hippie commune of drum circles, dreamcatchers, and recreational drug use. Let's see that win a Pro Tour.
|
|
|
|
matt_v
|
|
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2004, 04:24:05 pm » |
|
From the way that I read that article he clearly states the new rule is whenever another legend with the same name comes into play it destroys the first one. You people got too caught up in the "legend rule" and didn't interpret the article as a whole. He clearly explains that the second legend in play will cause the first one to be sacrificed while the second will remain in play, from what my understanding. Reread the article, I'm pretty sure I'm correct. Nope, all would be put into the graveyard, not just the first one. Here is the actual rule: 420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.� If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply. You are also not sacrificing the legends. They are being put into the graveyard as a state based effect. -Matt |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Judges are not native guides. We don't know where the McDonald's, the ATM, or the bathrooms are.
|
|
|
|
Smmenen
Guest
|
|
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2004, 11:04:45 am » |
|
Is there a window to tap the academy for mana first? Matt is saying no - but the plain text of the rules appears that you can. I don't imagine that you can, but I just want to be clear.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
goober
|
|
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2004, 11:06:11 am » |
|
No, same as the old way except your opponent loses theirs too. They don't every get priority to tap either.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Team Grosse Manschaft
|
|
|
Jebus
Full Members
Basic User
Posts: 1216
Corn is no place for a mighty warrior!
|
|
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2004, 11:07:10 am » |
|
Is there a window to tap the academy for mana first? Matt is saying no - but the plain text of the rules appears that you can. I don't imagine that you can, but I just want to be clear. It doesn't work much different from how it is now. It's a state-based effect. It happens before you ever get priority, so you don't have a chance to play mana abilities. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
