Boseiju, Who Shelters All

[Comrade]

Hopefully this type of discussion is permitted here. I'd like to discuss this card with you all which will be in the next Magic set, Champions of Kamigawa. The card was confirmed on MTGNews today by Rancored Elf who is the rumormeister there and has never(?) been wrong about a confirmed card in the past.

Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Legendary Land
Boseiju, Who Shelters All coms into play tapped.
Tap, Pay 2 life: Add 1 to you mana pool. If that mana is spent on an instant or sorcery spell, that spell can't be countered by spells or abilities.

So, the drawbacks of this card:

(1) Comes into play tapped. You can't use it to win with your combo or to get a key combo piece out on turn 1.
(2) Costs 2 life to use
(3) Is Legendary. Per the new Legendary rules as roughly stated by MaRo, if your opponent plays this it will be a "Neo Strip Mine" on your land and destroy it. Could be a real interesting war if both sides have crucibles.
(4) You can't use this to play artifacts (Crucible), creatures (Welder...), and Enchantments (Deed) and get the uncounterable effect
(5) Any sorcery or instant which doesn't require colorless mana as part of the casting cost won't be uncounterable

Benefits:
(1) Land's don't use the stack and can't be countered by spells/activated abilities
(2) The spell you use to cast this mana with is uncounterable

So I'm thinking at least 2 of these will appear in all decks and maybe 4 in all combo decks like Belcher. Strip mine/wasteland will become more important then ever (?). Maybe Tog/heaval could some how make it to type 1 with this land?

[Vegeta2711]

Well that -is- intresting. I'm not sure the exact amount of usefulness you can extract from it though. This is something that you'd have to try out to see how well it works.

I doubt combo would use it though, at least anything except maybe TPS. Their land config's already suck nutmegs and Belcher can only run 1-2 actual mana producing land. It's crap in Workshop decks obviously and most aggro doesn't have one spell it needs to force through.

So really the question is, how good is it for control mirrors and a few of the slower combo decks?

[Moxlotus]

Belcher would not play more lands, that goes against the ENTIRE point of the deck.  Also realize that this card screams wasteland target.

[StarOrc]

I think this could be used in any deck that plays instants or sorceries that use colorless mana in their cost.... Making your opponents counters dead is a really good thing... and uncounterable Yawmoth's Will is what its all about...

[Kowal]

Some people don't even run Library of Alexandria.  Where are you going to find room for this?  It has an interesting effect, but it doesn't DO enough to warrant a slot in a tight deck.

[Smmenen]

Dear god why do they print cards like that!! Sooooo annoying.

[Hi-Val]

This is a weaker Xantid Swarm.

[Smmenen]

It's an uncounterable Xantid Swarm though.

[Jebus]

It's an uncounterable Xantid Swarm though.

It's a Wastelandable Xantid Swarm though.

[Nijo]

This is a weaker Xantid Swarm.

But it's not green either ;)

[johnstown713]

I actually think this card will have nore of an effect on Block and Type 2 as oppose to Type 1.  It seems like an ok card but not for Type 1.

Johnstown713

[dicemanx]

Let's give it a chance first maybe?

[cssamerican]

I am with DicemanX here, this might be good or it might be crap, but the only way to find out is to test it.

Edit: This also gets around triggered abilities such as Chalice of the Void and that is something Xantid Swarm can not do.

[goober]

Uncounterable Wills are some good, I think I want to try some of these out in Deathlong.

[TrixR4Kidz]

I definately think this card can be tried affectively in many decks, It could be tried out in 7/10... A. It's titan proof, B. Uncounterable thirsts/tinker/recall is pro.... If it didn't come into play tapped, this land would be hella good, i'll immediately try it out as a one of

[Matt]

The most interesting thing about this is that it might mean they're printing counters with a little more oomph than we've been seeing lately.

[Klep]

This card is weird.  It has a very strong effect, but is pretty heavily balanced.  I'm reserving judgment on it for now.

[Bulls on Parade]

Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Legendary Land
Boseiju, Who Shelters All coms into play tapped.
Tap, Pay 2 life: Add 1 to you mana pool. If that mana is spent on an instant or sorcery spell, that spell can't be countered by spells or abilities.

How can a land be a who. For me to have believed this card before you promised it was "confirmed", it would have to say which or that.

Next, if this card didn't come into play tapped I'd almost definitely want to try it out in "mono"Black Dragon, only it could actually be monoblack again since Xantids would be cut. But it does come into play tapped, and that's huge.

[theorigamist]

I think Matt hit the nail on the head.  The best thing this card could mean is playable counters (or more, powerful instants and sorceries).  I think the use is too narrow for any combo deck.  Belcher wouldn't use it, because it's a land and there are very few instants and sorceries with colorless mana in the casting cost.  TPS might use it, but I doubt it.  One of TPS's strengths is that it has a more stable mana base, and this card would not help that.  DeathLong wouldn't use this, because you're aiming for a turn 1 or 2 win, and you can't wait for this land to untap.

[goober]

With this you can wait.  You go off early so they can't counter your Will, and this solves it.  Often when I played a Xantid I would sit back and wait until success was assured.  The wastes that are everywhere might make that not work, but I want to test it out.

[Ric_Flair]

Boy, Yawg Will is WAY better now.  You know...cuz it was kinda weak before.

[Machinus]

This card is horrible since it doesn't make colored mana. If it was a CoB type effect it could have SB potential against control.

Why does it have to CIPT? Two life and a land drop is really expensive already. Matt has inspired me to hope for quality blue instants.

[The Grim Reaper]

I definately think this card can be tried affectively in many decks, It could be tried out in 7/10... A. It's titan proof, B. Uncounterable thirsts/tinker/recall is pro.... If it didn't come into play tapped, this land would be hella good, i'll immediately try it out as a one of

Have fun casting that Recall with colorless mana somehow

I think this card has potential, but we should wait until the entire set is released before we do any testing.

[Sextiger]

What would happen if trinisphere was out and you used the colorless from the land to cast Ancestal Recall? That would work fine right?

[theorigamist]

What would happen if trinisphere was out and you used the colorless from the land to cast Ancestal Recall? That would work fine right?

Well, that's probably the narrowest use for such a high cost (land drop, CIPT, 2 life, only colorless mana, legendary, Wasteland-able) I've ever seen.  I hope this card just means that there will be other, more playable cards in the set, because this card is not spectacular.

[Cjkory]

Lets say for a second that it is as great as it should be:

gets past trinisphere
gets past counters
and all that stuff

The fact is if its that good alot of people will play it correct???
And it just so happens wizards made a new rule on legends...to sum it up if one person has one in play and some1 else plays their own they both go straight to the grave. If everyone plays it what r the odds it will be successfully used when a deck can play a strip mine, 4 wastelands, and 4 of these. Thats 9 cards that kill it.


Otherwise I think wizards had a good concept, but it was unsuccessful because of Standard

When will wizards give us all these great cards??? I believe they should make a new expansion thats only Vintage legal that way all these cards they toned down for standard can be unleashed.

edit: and its funny how both u bob and jim (sextiger and TrixR4Kidz) said the exact same thing. Use the colorless mana on an ancestral recall and after someone corrected TrixR4Kidz...lol

[dunedan]

You can get through Chalice of the Void too.

[TrixR4Kidz]

oh my bad, I misread the card, I thought it said add one mana of any color to your mana pool...so it's not as great as I thought, still uncounterable tinker is probably enough for me to test it out.

[Gabethebabe]

Lets say for a second that it is as great as it should be:
gets past trinisphere
gets past counters
and all that stuff

Gets past Trinisphere?

[Plognark]

I think the implication with trinisphere, or maybe sphere of resistance, is that this card turns them into a pseudo-benefit, tacking some colorless onto the cost of a spell and letting you play it uncounterable.

Uncounterable tinker and yawg's win? I like it. Don't know how i'd find room for it in a deck, but hell, I play workshop, paying 2 life for mana (ala ancient tomb) is something i'm used to anyhow  

It's worth a second look, although this makes me curious as to what kind of big-scary counters are coming out in this set.

Oh, and this:

How can a land be a who. For me to have believed this card before you promised it was "confirmed", it would have to say which or that.

You havn't dealt with a lot of translation between languages, have you?  
This type of wording is pretty standard for oriental translations. Other languages don't always have pronouns that are gender or inanimate object specific.
hell, in romantic langauges (french, spanish, etc...there may be exceptions), everything has a gender, even something as plainly gender neutral as an artichoke or a building.

Ok, that was TOTALLY off topic, but anyhow, the name sounds completely legit to me for an oriental style setting.

Edited to add: It stems from the whole spirituality of religions like shinto, where they believe everything has spirits and entities inside of it, even rocks and dirt, and are therefore treated somewhat as living entities.

Ok, i'm a f***ing nerd, so sue me