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« on: September 13, 2004, 01:56:17 pm »

<Skips uninteresting story involving the 2:45 drive, 800 cops pulling people over, and who he sees when he arrives at the site>

NOTE: I had a blast going to Waterbury and the bitterness you may detect is purely the craptastic luck I had at times.

I played FiveAdditionalTurns.dec

In short, I was wrong about the metagame of Waterbury, I playtested the wrong deck and was forced last minute to pick up something I could play perfectly, and god hates me.

Waterbury was a very well-run event. The amount of people there was astounding, which is always nice. It was my first event there, so there was one crucial element I didn't understand: 60% of the people there only marginally keep up with Type 1. Does this mean they are playing old Academy, Keeper with Morphlings, and Price of Progress Sligh? Not necessarily.

It means that they know what decks are out there and what-not, but those 60% don't follow the trends by reading reports and realizing that Control Slaver and Fish are popular choices right now. It means that with 5 additional proxies, they don't care to change up to a Workshop deck. They are just fine running with whatevertheywant.dec. This differs from the normal New England events that I've attended since the 40-50 people there, generally only have maybe 10 (20%) people not up on the trends or the ebb and flow of the metagame.

What that meant to me is that by making crucial decisions to cut things like Mind Twist and Decree of Justice, it made me worse against an older version of the mirror. I made these decisions based on Fish, Titan, and Control Slaver showing up all over New England reports (Mind Twist versus Misdirection and Goblin Welder for example) and there being a downward trend of 4cControl being played. I'm not the only one who shared this sentiment (that is, estimating the metagame) as at least the 2 finalists (oh-so CrazyCarl and Rich Shay) and a slew of other talented players discussed this very suprising aspect.

I thought that by keeping the environment, metagame trends, and statistics in mind when making decisions would pay off. I was wrong there.

In addition to being wrong, I had spent 2 weeks playtesting my own version of Slaver. Because it did not beat Fish and didn't do any better in the mirror, I could not reasonably count it as a viable option for Waterbury. The night before Waterbury, I had two options: Stax or whatever version of 4cControl I was developing at the time.

I playtested Stax, but found that this wasn't a deck that you could run through 8 rounds of swiss with next to no play experience. I could run it, but I wanted to play something I would rarely, if ever make a mistake with. 4cControl is instinctive at this point and despite it being a "50%" deck against Slaver, Titan, and a handful of other decks, I would hope that luck would be slightly on my side of the fence and that playskill would carry me the rest of the way.

Round 1: Non-TMD'r with an older version of my deck.

Game 1: I strip some lands, get a Shaman rocking, then win with an Angel.

Game 2: I drop Crucible and start going to town, but then he drops his own. I have a full grip at some point and he MIND TWISTS my hand. He kept in both plows AND all of his Cunning Wishes (which he used twice for plows) and removed all my win conditions from the game (which took like 40 minutes) I concede.

Game 3: So we have 5 minutes left... He goes Land, Mox, Mox, Lotus, Angel. I drop a dual and a Pearl, Walk, untap, plow it, then Ancestral. He draws and passes. I Skeletal Scrying for 3. He plays a land. I waste a land then time is called. I Skeletal Scrying for 4. He passes. I Wish for Ancestral and draw some more. He passes. I Yawgwill, get taunted by the Time Walk in the GY. There's no way to win. Sad

0-0-1

Round 2: Jeff Anands Girlfriend with Toog

Game 1: We go back and forth for a bit. Shaman is eating her power and beating her for 1. I resolve Crucible, but she Oxidizes it. I Will it back, and destroy her lands. I play an Angel and win. (this game took a LOOOONG time... 45 minutes.)

Game 2: We're called on time. We go back and forth and noone wins.

1-0-1

Round 3: Ashok - The Method with Meandeck Titan

Game 1: I stall and two lands and by the time I start drawing mana again, he bitch smacks me into the next game.

Game 2: A very long back and forth game. I was able to Waste all of his Volcanics, Shaman his Ruby, and he already used his Lotus so he had no real way to get Welder out which apparently meant he had no other way to win at the gamestate we were at... (I think maybe all win conditions were in the GY)

Game 3: Again, it's almost time. I'm rocking his stuff hardcore. We get called on time and Angel looks to be 1 turn shy of pulling off the win. I get him to 3 with Angel on my LAST turn. I have FULL grip with brainstorms and such. I Fire him, bringing him to 1, I Brainstorm - nothing, shuffle, Brainstorm again NOTHING (Fire Ice #2 WAS near the top.)

At this point if we both tied, we both have to win out. If one loses then he still has to win out, but the other gets to be 2-0-1. Ashok is HELLA cool and gives me the win.

2-0-1

Round 4: 4cControl... older version

Game 1: I'm drawing like crazy off a LoA and I'm a turn away from dropping Crucible of Worlds. He only has 4 cards in hand, untaps, draws, drops a Lotus and Mind Twists me for 7. I Force (of course, I mean I've been drawing cards) and he Forces (of course). I lose my CoW and the game.

Game 2: I Ancestral on his first upkeep. He plays a land and a Mox. I untap, drop some acceleration, Waste his land, and Scrye for 3. He drops another land. I untap, drop a Shaman, eat the Mox. I am beating for 1 for like 5 turns, then drop another Shaman. I swing with 2 of em, he Decrees for 3. I Cunning Wish for Fire/Ice and blow 2 of em up, saving 1 Shaman. I drop an Angel and it goes the distance.

Game 3: So, I'm rocking like an allstar with LoA again. Again, I have Crucible in hand. AGAIN he Mind Twists me. He countered everything I wanted to resolve the whole game. Soon, he Decree's for 6 tokens because he Drained my Force of Will. He beats me for 6. He has a full hand, I have 1 card. He has 8 lands, I have 5. I draw a Demonic Tutor and think what can save me in the face of such savageness.

I look at what's in his graveyard and notice he's used SEVEN of his EIGHT counterspells. I Tutor for Balance and throw it out. His remaining counterspell is 1 of the 30+ cards in his deck, so it resolves. He goes down to 1 card, 0 critters, and 5 lands, just like me. I pass the turn, he topdecks something REALLY special and (keep in mind that I have 5 lands in play and a Force of Will in hand, all I needed was an untap phase to be back in the game) taps 3 lands, one of them black. His graveyard comes flooding back into play.

2-1-1

Round 5: Food Chain Goblins

Game 1: He plays Mountain, Emerald, and mana goblin. I Strip his Mountain. He plays a Wasteland, swings for 1. I drop a fetchland and a Jet. He swings again for 1. I drop a Lotus, fetch and Island, Demonic for Crucible, cast it off Lotus, and Strip his Wasteland. He attacks for 1. I fetch (from the graveyard of course) out a Tundra. He plays a Taiga and summons a Piledriver which I Drain. I recur a Strip and play a Shaman. I will a few turns later and we're off to game 2.

Game 2: He drops a Lotus, Lackey, Piledriver. That's pretty broken... except I kept a hand with ZERO land and a Lotus, Recall, BEB, Fact, Drain, Plow, Force of Will. I drop the Lotus, Ancestral, drop a City of Brass, Plow the Piledriver, BEB the Lackey, then rule the universe. He does nothing for like 4 turns while I assemble the Angel and Shaman double team.

3-1-1

Round 6: Dave Mazza (I think... he had a beard with a handle) playing Control Slaver

Game 1: He mulligans to six. He opens with Land, Mox, Lotus, Sac Lotus to play Tinker sacrificing his Mox. I Force it, but god hates me so he has Force of Will to back it up. For the listeners at home, his opening hand was Tinker, Lotus, Mox, Land, Force of Will, Brainstorm). He drags out Platinum Angel and I'm like *yawn* because I run like 234 ways to remove it and even though I don't HAVE any in hand, I have 2 Brainstorms and a Time Walk to go find them, capitalize on his severe card screw, and win. Right? WRONG. God REALLY hates me. I dig and walk and dig and NOTHING.

In 5 turns with 2 Brainstorms and a Walk, here are the list of things that could of won me the game. Keeping in mind that I had a Will in hand and could have dug more and Time Walked and stuff...

4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Swords to Plowshare
3 Cunning Wish
1 Balance
3 City of Brass
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
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Total 17 cards

Game 2: I go Lotus, Brainstorm, Wasteland, Morph. He plays a land. I Waste the land, swing for 2, and drop another Wasteland. He plays a Volcanic. I blow it up and stall on lands, but swing for 2. He drops a Mox. I stall on land and swing for 2. He passes. I get a fetch and find a Volcanic. I play a Shaman and attack for 2. He gets poop. I eat the mox and swing for 3. The game ends pretty much there.

Game 3: We go back and forth, but it's mostly him doing the to and fro since I draw SEVEN LANDS IN A ROW. Anyway, he's got 7 cards in hand at some point and I have 5. I draw Demonic Tutor and cast it. He Mana Drains it (and I really want CoW) so I hardcast a Force (I do have 10 mana in play). He Forces it back. (he's down to 4 cards to my 4, but he's REALLY light on Mana, he's got like 3 lands and two Moxen) so I Drain the Force. He FORCES AGAI...

*Phone Rings - it's work*

I talk to an employee of mine. It's really nothing major and I'm wondering why the hell he's calling me at 8:30PM on a saturday for non-emergencies especially when I have supervisors of his on shift with him. I answer his question, but my mind is now OUT of the game.

First play-mistake of the day, coming right up.

Ok, so I get re-aqaunted with the game. We're in a counterwar over a Tutor and I want to get Crucible BADLY. I can Drain the Force or I can let the Tutor fail. He's got 2 cards (one's an Ancestral, he Mystical'd for it and the other one is a land) left in hand so in my removed mindset, I know he must be out of counter juice and CoW is the bomb, so I Drain it.

God laughs at me because he was about do demonstrate that he hates me, but instead I save him the trouble.

My tutor goes off and I grab Crucible. Second mainphase happens and I plunk it down and eat 7 mana burn. He draws (a Drain) He tries the Ancestral but I have a Force for that. He drops a land ("No no no, don't drop land," Steve thought to himself as he considered his Crucible, "I need to make you unable to cast stuff!") and passes. I draw a REB ("Whew," Steve thought, "the game isn't over yet.") and recur a Strip bringing him back to 3 lands, 2 mox.

He untaps and draws again, then he Tinkers (another God-hates-me topdeck) away his Mox and I REB it. I'm so good! Oh wait, he has Mana Drain and soon Pentavus is making little sperm tokens.

3-2-1

*BARF*
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2004, 03:33:48 pm »

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In short, I was wrong about the metagame of Waterbury,

I was considering writing a tournament report just to show the importance of proper metagaming, but you basically said all I needed to.  I brought a metagamed madness variant that has a very good game against almost all forms of artifacts and fish.  Then I played against FCG, MonoU, and Dragon (my three worst matchups).  Then I won a couple of rounds, but it didn't really matter, because at that point I was pretty set on leaving before the end and partying in Hartford.  Alcohol > scrubbing out worse at Magic tournaments.  But the tournament was awesome.  I met a whole bunch of people, and Ray's girlfriend signed the inside of the three-headed dragon's cock, to keep nataz's signature company, so it was a good time over all.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2004, 06:02:49 pm »

There's a difference between making incorrect metagame calls and just getting bad match-ups.  If Slaver makes up 30% of the field, then you'd be nuts not to take that into account.  But you still run the risk of just not seeing any Slaver decks until later rounds and by then it may be too late.  A few years ago I brought TnT to a control-heavy environment and faced AoS and mono-blue Trix in the first 2 rounds--there's only so much you can control in these kinds of situations.

Sorry to hear about your problems at Waterbury, Steve.  To what extent do you feel that slow decks like 4CC and possibly mono-U hurt their pilot insofar as they eat so much time that you may end up with draws in games that you would have won if they were being played in an untimed setting?  I found myself in a similar situation in a small tournament recently vs. a x4 Mana Drain/Misdirection/Force of Will deck--we had spent so much time in counterwars and exhausting the other person's resources, no one had time to win.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2004, 06:28:25 pm »

That was one of my concerns that I had as I heard steve was going to time and something I was EXTREMELY conscious of at Gencon with mono blue.

I never had time problems with mono blue at Gencon, if anything, I made sure to make time my ally.  

Round two of Gencon I played against Oath.  I knew that I would win game one, but it would take forever.  He kept playing too long and only had 10 minutes to win against me games two and three - an impossible feat when your opponent is mono blue, and when mono blue doesn't actually try to win, but just try to keep you from winning.

Round 5? against Dante, he, again, didn't scoop quickly enough so that I could use the time pressure against him.  I lost game one's against both Ray Robillard and The Man Show and the games I lost I was very sure to scoop quickly despite my sleight chances of winning becuase I knew that if I lost those games, which was probably, I wouldn't be able to win the match.  For that reason I scooped to save time.

Having said all that, I don't think Steve made bad decisions as far as knowing when to scoop - his games were just uncontrollably long in a way that scooping wouldn't have made the sense that it did in my matches.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 09:08:27 am »

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...cut things like Mind Twist

This is why God hates you.  I think you just pulled a "Kerz"!  At worst you can sideboard Mind Twist, despite a heavy Welder venue even.

Your report is a pleasant read for sure.   Smile

You talk about what you expected to see,  but didn't go into detail about what you actually saw.  The impression that I have is that there was slightly more Dragon, Tendrils.*, Mono U,  and aggro being played.  Is this true? Do you know?
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 09:19:45 am »

There was about as much aggro as I expected, but decks with green never scare me. There was only 10% of the field being control slaver and I expected upwards of 30%. I absolutely did NOT expect to see so much 4cC since it fell off the cool-deck train. There was a good size chunk of Dragon and Fish, which I'm guessing was other people anticipating Control Slaver.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2004, 09:41:10 am »

Steve, you aren't the only one who miss-called the metagame. Given recent results and recent tournaments, I had predicted a high concentration of Control Slaver myself.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2004, 10:56:24 am »

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I never had time problems with mono blue at Gencon, if anything, I made sure to make time my ally.  

Round 5? against Dante, he, again, didn't scoop quickly enough so that I could use the time pressure against him.  


Steve, the reason I didn't scoop earlier in game 1 at Gencon was because vs your Back to Basics and loads of Counters, either I would get enough of an early push (force, xantid swarm, multiple animates, etc) to force through my combo/reanimation or I wouldn't win - with 4 Back to Basics, there was no way to "play the long game" of Dragon vs other control decks like 4CC, Hulk, Slaver, etc and overwhelm them with card advantage.  So I wasn't concerned about not having enough time to win Game 2 and 3 (until I realized how god-awfully slow and methodically you shuffle MY deck every time I tutored), because I felt they would either be fast-ish wins or I would lose.  

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2004, 11:02:45 am »

In the future, I am Steve and Smmenen is Stephen. He is an imposter Steve, don't let him fool you!
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2004, 11:17:07 am »

Damn you and your precious "v"!!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2004, 01:33:30 pm »

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Damn you and your precious "v"!!!


You can be Stephe. Smile Hehehe...

Either way, good report, Z. Glad to hear you made it to a Waterbury.
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