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« on: September 15, 2004, 10:00:17 am »

Look at all these cards in CoK and compare them to cards in our master list.. In each case, the first card is WotC's.

Brutal Deceiver
{2}{R}
Creature -- Spirit 2/2
{1}: Look at the top card of your library.
{2}: Reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, Brutal Deceiver gets +1/+0 and gains first strike until end of turn. Play this ability only once each turn.

Astrologer
{2}{U}
Creature -- Wizard
2/1
{1}: Look at the top card of your library.
{1}: Remove the top card of your library from the game.





Hikari, Twilight Guardian
{3}{W}{W}
Legendary Creature -- Spirit 4/4
Flying
Whenever you play a Spirit or Arcane spell, you may remove Hikari, Twilight Guardian from the game. If you do, return it to play under its owner's control at end of turn.

Eternal Angel
{3}{W}{W}
Creature -- Angel
4/4
Flying.
{1}{W}: Remove Eternal Angel from the game, then return it to play at end of turn.





Kumano, Master Yamabushi
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Legendary Creature -- Human Shaman
4/4
{1}{R}: Kumano, Master Yamabushi deals 1 damage to target creature or player. If a creature dealt damage by Kumano this turn would be put into a graveyard, remove it from the game instead.

Pain Elemental
{3}{B}{R}
Creature -- Elemental
4/4
{1}, pay one life: Pain Elemental deals one damage to target creature.
Whenever a creature deals damage to Pain Elemental, Pain Elemental deals that much damage to that creature.




Hinder
{1}{U}{U}
Instant
Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put that spell on the top or on the bottom of its owner's library insead of his or her graveyard.

Counterplot
{U}{U}
Instant
Counter target spell. If you do, put it on top of its owner's library instead of that player's graveyard. Then look at the top three cards of that player's library and put them back in any order.

Postpone
{U}{U}
Instant
Kicker {2}{U}
Counter target spell. If you do, put it on top of its owner's library instead of into that player's graveyard. If the kicker cost was paid, put Postpone on top of your library.





Thoughtbind
{2}{U}
Instant
Counter target spell with converted mana cost 4 or less.
96/306
Common

Seal of Denial
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Enchantment
Sacrifice Seal of Denial: Counter target spell with converted mana cost 4 or less.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2004, 03:53:38 am »

Surely people with internet access wouldn't use it in order to find out information that saves them having to do stuff themselves. (/sarcasm)

I think I remember MaRo saying that Wizards couldn't look at card creations because of legal reasons. That is Wizards are certainly not looking at out cards in a way that can be proved in court and any similarities are purely coincidence.

To be honest you will find similar cards which have been developed entirely independently but I believe that Wizards do look here and I hope they enjoy (and use) what they see.

I will just take this opportunity to point out that Wizards have recently printed far more cards that 'Wizards would never print' than some people here allow in our created cards. Let's give them credit for lateral thinking and not be afraid of sailing close to the wind ourselves.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2004, 04:33:11 am »

I have e-mailed with MaRo on this very subject a while ago. I conveyed to him the message that none of us plan to somehow screw wizards over if they end up using our cards. Additionally, I pointed out that fact that all of us would think it an honor to have them be inspired by what we do. Lastly, I pointed out that little disclaimer in our forum rules that state if you post a card here, you automatically give up any sort of legal claims to it.

This was done in order to facilitate the process of WotC being able to look at our cards. I recieved a reply almost immediately. MaRo told me he was:
a. aware of our efforts
b. admired them
c. has purposefully not looked at the cards in any way, and
d. would consult with his legal team if there was any way he could change that.

I might have to get back to him on the subject. Maybe the legal team finally figured out that there really isn't a problem here (since I HIGHLY doubt we could even make a claim if we wanted to if they flat out c/p our card list, as long as they change the names and flavor text).

God, I really hope we can hand over our list to MaRo one day. Surely they realise how cool free R&D is? It's like the flavor text on Null Brooch...give away everythign so that others have nothing. OK, so it's not ENTIRELY like the flavor text on Null Brooch, but you know where I'm going with this.

So while I doubt that they already looked at the cards, it's not entirely impossible.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2004, 04:59:50 am »

However, the cards that Matt posted are so significanly different (at least, different enough) that I wouldn't say they took it off our list. If they did, then I doubt we could ever make that claim stick regardless.

Just because they made an instant that counters a spell with CC of 4 or less, and we have an enchantment that does that, doesn't mean it's similar. I actually think the cards are quite different.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 06:20:24 am »

Well I am sure that most of us here can evaluate the likelihood of someone finding something interesting and useful on the net but not looking at it because of work-related rules.

What sort of person would do a thing like that?

As far as them using our ideas, I'd like to think that they have but Matt's examples aren't that convincing. It would be more surprising if new sets didn't have cards like the ones we have. Look at my old Undying Warrior thread, Wizards got a very similar card out before I could close the thread. They must have designed it before me but I know that I didn't copy it from them.

Actually Jacob might be Aaron Forsythe as he likes to mention stuff like applications in Limited play and the colour pie. Morefling might be MaRo as he does tend to drift off-topic. Wouldn't it be weird if all the regulars (apart from me because no Wizards-employee can possibly admit to being in this forum, or at least reading anything here even if he is here [for the Bill Clinton strict definition fanclub]) in this forum were actually Wizards employees but nobody could let on to their colleagues because it is not officially allowed? You would get stuff like one of the mods appealing for more interesting Blue cards if Wizards has failed to come up with good Blue stuff for a few sets (apart from Thirst for Knowledge), lots of cards that are just copies of older cards, people wanting to resurrect old keywords and an unnatural desire to have balanced cards at the same time as a few 'bombs' slip through the net.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 11:56:28 am »

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Actually Jacob might be Aaron Forsythe as he likes to mention stuff like applications in Limited play and the colour pie. Morefling might be MaRo as he does tend to drift off-topic. Wouldn't it be weird if all the regulars in this forum were actually Wizards employees but nobody could let on to their colleagues because it is not officially allowed?


What would that make me?

The regulars here honestly aren't creative enough to be R&D. Unless this is just where they dump their second-tier ideas.

More about the lesser level of creativity to come in a stickied post. Look for it  soon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 09:54:41 am »

I looked and didn't find it. Where is it?

To be fair, most of us would be more creative if we were paid to think of Magic cards instead of throwing together a few ideas whilst working.

I should point out that most wild ideas get poo-pooed very quickly. Wizards allow far more out-of-the-box cards than we do. I have noticed myself becoming far more conservative (although Fungal Swarm crept through) partially because most regulars become 'Development' rather than 'Research'.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 02:23:26 pm »

On a somewhat relalated note: In an Unhinged article MaRo has:

- reiterated that poison will in fact return, and
- it will not be featured in Unhinged (interestingly, it WOULD have been on cards like Rutabaga of the Night, bit for unclear reasons it was scrapped. I can only assume it's cause Wizards saw how cool our actual poison cards are and deceided to bring it back full force in the next block :-)
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2005, 02:54:33 pm »

IT seems that it could possibly return in Kamigawa block insisting on poisoned blades wielded by ninjas and or samurai  

which would be amazingly hott.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2005, 09:29:13 am »

Thought Wave
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Skip your draw step.
At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top 3 cards of your library and choose one of them. Put that card in your hand and put the other two on the bottom of your library in any order.
So many spells, so little time.


Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
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instead. Put one of those cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2005, 03:30:32 pm »

Nice one Gerrymander!
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2005, 01:53:10 am »

From what I remember from MaRo's articles, sets are designed roughly a year before they are sold.  Do any of the cards here have a time frame that would synch up with that?
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2005, 05:20:43 am »

As I've said before, MaRo told me he doesn't look at our cards. I tend to believe that. Even so, yes, the times frames might well match. Keep in mind that we've been at this for a long tiime now, and that not all cards for an official set are designed simultaneously (in many WotC design stories, I've seen relative 'last-minute' additions).
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2005, 11:11:27 am »

And of course Maro always has stories of cards he's tried for years to get printed.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2005, 01:06:36 am »

Okay, I'm pretty positive R&D wasn't actually watching, but the new Channel mechanic from Saviors is a hell of a lot like this basic idea I posted, which never really got off the ground:

http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/index.php?topic=21683.0

Ghost-lit Redeemer
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Channel- 1W: 1W, Discard this card from your hand: Gain 4 life.
1/1

Oxidizing Elf
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Creature - Elf
GG, discard Oxidizing Elf: Put an instant on the stack that has "Destroy target artifact or enchantment" and a mana cost of GG.
2/1

MODIFICATION: It's also got the flavor I was going for, a creature's energy turning into an instant, although I didn't really convey that clearly in the thread.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2005, 12:19:40 pm »

my changling card is very similar to Shakashima the impostor.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2005, 02:18:31 pm »

It's been said before, but YMTC mechanic H (the counterspell) is a TMD creation.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2005, 09:10:55 pm »

Not just R&D, but also whoever names cards... Override is a card in the multi-coloured cycle master list (at the top), as well as a Mirrodin common.
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2005, 09:17:01 pm »

That is kind of an obvious name though.
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2006, 05:41:22 pm »

I was just browsing through the Master List and found a couple of Ravnica additions to this list.

I only looked at artifacts, and not even all of them, so there's probably a lot more, but anyway:

There is an artifact named Terraformer. (It has nothing to do with the printed card, though.)

Mirror Orb
Artifact
1: Mirror Orb gains the abilities of target noncreature artifact until end of turn. Play this ability only once each turn.

Mizzium Transreliquant
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3: Mizzium Transreliquant becomes a copy of target artifact until end of turn.
1UR: Mizzium Transreliquant become a copy of target artifact and gains this ability.

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2006, 05:56:22 pm »

My absolute favorite is these two of mine which never made the master list:

Quirion Landlover
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Creature-Dryad
Whenever you play a land, put a +1/+1 counter on ~this~
1/1

See, from Ravinca:
Vinelasher Kudzu
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Creature-Plant
Whenever a land comes into play under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Vinelasher Kudzu
1/1

and also:

Aven Fisher redux
1U
Creature-Bird
Flying
When ~this~ is put into a graveyard from play, draw a card.
1/1

Surveilling Sprite
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Creature - Faerie Rogue
Flying
When Surveilling Sprite is put into a graveyard from play, you may draw a card.
1/1

They're both kind of obvious cards, but hey, I got them first Very Happy
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2006, 12:01:20 am »

Heh, nothing is going to beat my cascade/replicate thing.
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2006, 12:34:51 am »

Heh, nothing is going to beat my cascade/replicate thing.
Yeah, seriously. Way to preempt an entire mechanic.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2006, 01:54:39 pm »

Heh, nothing is going to beat my cascade/replicate thing.
Yeah, seriously. Way to preempt an entire mechanic.

I second that, I just about shat myself when I saw it.  I was thinking "Haven't I seen that before?"
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2006, 07:32:45 am »

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Cerebral Vortex  1UR

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2006, 12:09:18 pm »

Heh, I don't think I've mentioned it, but [card]Remand[/card] is basically my card Recant (which I submitted for one of the YMTC contests) but cantripping (and a less-confusing-to-newbies wording).
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2009, 01:44:07 pm »


This card I designed a while back :

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2009, 07:57:06 pm »

I don't think you can really count that, as both you and R&D were riffing on the same original source (and in fact R&D has ported the pendrell mechanic onto at least two other cards long before TMD even existed).
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2009, 04:45:40 am »

come on Matt, don't take my only card joy away from me Smile
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2009, 05:01:49 pm »

Heh, nothing is going to beat my cascade/replicate thing.

Going with that, I see that one of the abilities in Alara Reborn is called Cascade. The reminder text is:

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