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ElderDruid
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« on: September 17, 2004, 08:08:37 am »

I'm interested in seeing winning decklists for Highlander tournaments.

For example, the description for the upcoming MD Championships says "Be the first to defeat reigning Highlander Champion, Bryce "kl0wn" Reynolds and win a Beta Psionic Blast." What has Reynolds played in the past?

I love the Highlander format because the games tend to be a lot more fun.

Thanks for any info!
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2004, 08:23:46 am »

Bryce played a sort of enchantment centric keeper, with Future Sight and the "cantrip suite."

He was considering writing a highlander primer of sorts.  I'll pressure him in to doing it for you.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2004, 08:39:32 am »

You can buy the best deck for a small paypal fee from me! PM me if interested Smile
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 09:01:46 am »

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Bryce played a sort of enchantment centric keeper, with Future Sight and the "cantrip suite."

He was considering writing a highlander primer of sorts.  I'll pressure him in to doing it for you.


Thanks!
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 09:04:13 am »

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I don't think there is a "best" highlander deck.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2004, 10:41:56 am »

http://www.themanadrain.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17817

There's an old version of the highlander deck I'm working on.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2004, 11:26:56 am »

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I don't think there is a "best" highlander deck.


Trust me, there is. Apart from myself and Bryce, I don't think anyone knows (I sent Bryce the list once).
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2004, 11:28:19 am »

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I don't think there is a "best" highlander deck.


Trust me, there is. Apart from myself and Bryce, I don't think anyone knows (I sent Bryce the list once).


Ok, but if it gets played at a big tournament and wins (or even places highly), then everyone will know what it is.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2004, 09:48:02 am »

Not that I have done anything notable with this highlander deck, but it can hold its own versus many strong type 1 decks (one of my friends won a Jet with a nearly identical build in a small unlimited proxy tourney).  
This is the list, but a few cards are somewhat in flux:
Definitely in:
exalted angel
decree of justice
morphling
(razormane) masticore
gorilla shaman
force of will
mana drain
counterspell
mana leak
prohibit
annul
duress
misdirection
demonic tutor
mystical tutor
vampiric tutor
merchant scroll
tinker
tainted pact
impulse
ancestral recall
fact or fiction
night's whisper
skeletal scrying
time walk
yawgmoth's will
crucible of worlds
swords to plowshares
balance
fire/ice
either powder keg or pernicious deed (I like Deed)
7 solomoxen
tundra
underground sea
volcanic island
tropical island
scrubland
plateau
polluted delta
flooded strand
bloodstained mire
windswept heath
undiscovered paradise
city of brass
LoA
wasteland
strip mine
underground river
adarkar wastes
island
potential (4 of these) (there are pros and cons of each):
darksteel colossus + brainstorm + thirst for knowledge (all or none IMHO--you don't want to be stuck with tinker + colossus in yuor hand)
psychatog
vindicate
mind twist
Karn
mind's eye
cunning wish
mana crypt/lotus petal/badlands (if you want 26 rather than 25 sources)
future sight

This is obviously keeper-esque, but the lack of powerful countermagic forces you to be re-active rather than counter-active.  Thus, it isn't bad to run more removal than keeper because you can't count on that turn 1 force of will.  This build is very bombs-oriented, on the basis that if you drop one of your serious bombs, then you can win in spite of your opponent's best efforts.  The sideboard is still in flux, but includes more creature control as well as some GY hate and hopefully some anti-combo cards, plus REB/BEB.  The MD cunning wish can be fun because you have a lot of useful instants in the SB (r & r, disenchant, etc.).  The deck could also use more small cantrips to reduce the effective deck size, but that tends to work against the "bombs" idea.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2004, 02:05:30 am »

Covetous wheres the faerie conclave and mishra's factory no reason not to run the lands that can beat in highlander its generally a slower format. Also are you really running only one basic land seems kinda of risky with so much love of crucible of the worlds and wasteland. I might add that if you are running tinker it should be a given to run darksteel colossus nothing like tinkering for him to win a game.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2004, 06:23:37 pm »

Do you want to play against a highlander field or a typical T1 field?  They should be based on different priciples in deckbuilding.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2004, 06:32:16 pm »

On my manabase--I like it a lot and it seems to work pretty well without manlands.  I don't like CIPT lands, so no conclave.  And I like colored mana, so no factory.  Plus factories are so much better in multiples.  I don't fear nonbasic hate in highlander because cards like blood moon, wasteland and b2b are only one-ofs and generally complete crap in the format.  
Don't get lured into a false sense of security.  Real highlander is almost as competitive as real type 1.  Sure, it's not quite the same but don't be foolish and assume that you can play a crappy deck in highlander just because it's slower than type 1.  Highlander can be as broken as type 1, it's just a little less consistent (i.e. few FoW/Duress/Mana Drain).  You still use the same broken cards as well as more tutors--broken things are sure to happen.  And on the colossus note, I said that colossus + TFK + brainstorm is a legitimate thing to try.  However, with only 3 ways (TFK, masticore, brainstorm) to shuffle the colossus into your library, it sucks that much more to draw him.
I'm sure you could come up with some degenerate combo deck for highlander, but it would be challenging because you can't have 4 of some of your good fixers.  However, I bet you could make some filthy tendrils/rector deck that would make baby jesus cry.  Or possibly even grim/power.  I prefer a keeper-esque control deck that is based more on board control than pure countermagic--thus, my prototype builds ran more removal than 4cC does.  I have recently tried a build with mini-search cards like opt, sleight, serum visions and fewer high-CC bombs.  The hope is to get your real bombs (tinker, yawgwin, balance) more often by reducing your effective deck size.  I have yet to decide which is better--smaller, cheaper, more efficient spells or bombier spells each of which can drastically change the game state.  Let's face it--cards like gorilla shaman, pernicious deed and mind twist can seriously swing the game in your favor, but can also be bulky or useless at times.  It might be better to effectively play a 50 card deck with the same number of super-bombs and a greater chance of drawing them due to hand fixers, card draw and tutors.
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