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Crafty Imp BB
Creature - Imp
Player's can't search their libraries for cards.
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2004, 12:41:04 am » |
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now that's a good idea, but may need to be reworded to "Players may not target cards in their libraries with spells and effects."
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2004, 08:11:16 am » |
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That would prevent hardly anything at all. Fetchlands, tutors, etc. don't target the libraries or the cards in the libraries. They just let people search for a card.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2004, 03:21:11 pm » |
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I am surprised to be saying this, but I like this a lot.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2004, 03:27:25 pm » |
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Yea, it's clever. I'd like to see it at   though, so it could potentially see more play over the various formats, being just generally more 'splash friendly'. |
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2004, 03:39:13 pm » |
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Should this really be black? Black's the colour that traditionally has the best searching. Plus, forbidding people from searching seems like a rules-making ability, which would mean it should be white. The fact that white is opposite black is also appropriate.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2004, 03:46:46 pm » |
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Should this really be black? Black's the colour that traditionally has the best searching. Plus, forbidding people from searching seems like a rules-making ability, which would mean it should be white. The fact that white is opposite black is also appropriate. Well, on the other hand... Black is all about sacrifice, and basically with this in Black it's sacrificing a host of other cards at it's disposal in order to get a bear. Plus, to me this doesn't really seem like a 'rules' issue from White... I think of this more as a grimy little bastard imp who keeps screwing up my Demonic Tutors when I have my back turned. -lol- But, I didn't make the card so maybe that wasn't what he had in mind. |
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2004, 06:30:53 pm » |
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This is the very prototype of a rule-making card. New rule: Can't search!
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2004, 01:46:56 am » |
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Should this really be black? Black's the colour that traditionally has the best searching. Plus, forbidding people from searching seems like a rules-making ability, which would mean it should be white. The fact that white is opposite black is also appropriate. White has around 30 two mana, 2/2 creatures already. It definitely doesn't need another one. |
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?
"When I saw the announcement of Temple Garden on wizards.com, I knew that I was going to be out of Type 2 for the next two years" - JDizzle
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2004, 05:42:55 am » |
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Regardless of whether or not white could make effective use of this is irrelevant. The ability of this card is white, plain and simple. Furthermore, if white has a ton of 2/2's for 2, with abilities, doesn't that lend credence to the argument that it's something else that white does? If you don't like it though, perhaps you could make it a 1/1 for {W}, in which case it would be splashable. The flavour aspect of such a card could make it a cleric of some sort. If you don't like that, then you could make it a 3/4 for  {W}{W} and play up the guardian theme. I doubt that there's any reason why this must be a 2/2 for 2, so if it's necessary to change the numbers to fit it into white, the colour where it belongs, then so be it. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2004, 10:18:07 am » |
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I think it belongs in green, actually. Green is the colour that most distrusts "clever" stuff like tutoring.
Also, it's the opponent of blue and black, which together are the best at tutoring.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2004, 11:53:12 am » |
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This is definitely a white ability. However, white is better at creatures than black is, so this would be fine as a 2/2 for 1W or as a 1/1 for W. It might even be weak enough to get a second ability.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2004, 09:57:54 pm » |
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Do you really think that this is weak, Jacob? I don't think it could possibly be considered a broken ability, at any price, but really, this would rock in Type 1. This shuts down all traditional tutors, Intuition, Academy Rector, Crop Rotation, Cranial Extraction, all fetchlands. The list goes on. This is one hell of a hoser.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2004, 03:34:56 am » |
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I've taken what you guys have said into consideration, and I think you're probably right about being white. Although WoTC better start printing better cards to supplement white weenie decks then.  (The CHK hound is a good start.) Anyway, I revamped the whole card. Here is the current wording: Onean Commander 1W
Creature - Knight
Players can't search their libraries for cards.
"Oneah was determined to write history, not to be overwhelmed by its tide" - Historian
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?
"When I saw the announcement of Temple Garden on wizards.com, I knew that I was going to be out of Type 2 for the next two years" - JDizzle
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2004, 04:17:45 am » |
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Argh not another 2/2 for WW!
Honestly, you could put that ability on a 2/1 for W. Savannah Lions is legal in every format except block and doesn't get played in any of them. Even the few White Weenie decks that people try to play in T2 don't even play it.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2004, 12:44:43 pm » |
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At least change it to 1W so it could be splashed.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2004, 01:00:37 pm » |
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I don't know if 'general' is the right noun but the Onean flavor is a good match.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2004, 03:18:12 pm » |
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Drill Sergeant would be good flavour. "You think you're going to search that deck for an answer, huh? I don't think so, maggot!"
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2004, 03:34:58 pm » |
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Neat card... I'd like to see this on a 1/2 for W or something though, the White 2 mana spot is overloaded with goodness anyway. One question though: What will this create rules issues with? Can you search other people's libraries (eg. Guided passage)? What about effects that amount to the same thing but don't use the word 'Search'? I'm not trying to kill the card, but it'd be good to clear this up.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2004, 03:37:53 pm » |
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Could you give an example of a card that effectively searches without using the word "search"? I can't think of any, myself.
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2004, 04:10:06 pm » |
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*Thinks* Well, Guided Passage, but's the opposing library. Other than that... I think you are right. I guess even if there is anything which would create a problem, it would be like Fact or Fiction is to Chains of Mephistopheles... a way of avoiding the effect. I guess I didn't think WoTC were that tight with the wording  . |
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2004, 08:32:15 pm » |
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I don't want to change this to a 1 power creature, even at a lower cost. 1/1 creatures are always bad, even if they have an awesome special ability. I will make it more splashable though.
Which name should I choose?
General
Drill Sergeant
Officer
Commander
or something else?
Also, please note that cards like Guided Passage, Bribery, Lim Dul's Vault, and of course Demonic Consultation still work with this out.
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2004, 09:14:02 pm » |
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I think the flavour text should be "not to be overwhelmed by its tide."
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2004, 03:03:32 pm » |
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Nice! I really liked the card as it was first posted (although I wasn't too keen on Imp as the creature type), definitely a unique and powerful ability. I'm not as excited about the changes (new casting cost, new colour, new flavour), but that's just me.
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2004, 01:28:34 am » |
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Well, I chose "Commander" since nobody had another suggestion.
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2004, 10:14:43 pm » |
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Closed and added.[/color]
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