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« on: September 28, 2004, 12:06:24 am »

First, a few brief notes. I'm a bit torn on writing a report, but finally decided that because it was my first T1 tournament that I'd go ahead and do one, but that I'd keep it in the open forum. Also, when I went to get my tablet to tell the guys about my life totals in round 5, I noticed I didn't have my notes...so I'm doing this off the top of my head.

After spending a few weeks playing GAT (plus a few months this summer with a 1.5 version) and only about one week testing out 4CC, I decided to go with it. I PMed Grand Inquisitor the Thursday before to try and strike up a conversation since most of the guys in my group didn't have much input, but unfortunately my computer decided to catch a virus after I spent a few hours with a pirated AdultBouncer password. Damn.  Sad

I ended up basing a lot of my sideboard on GI's list and suggestions (10 minutes at a public terminal = mise), and decided to run Tinker/Collussus on his advice. The lists aren't too far seperated that I feel the need to post mine, but if there's any amount of interest, I will.

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We start off Friday afternoon getting some last minute games in right after classes, and as three of us are sitting there, some dude comes up and starts talking about how he used to play. He ended up coming down a few hours later to sell off his cards, and I mised an English Drain for $60, as well as the last few cards I needed for 1.5 Belcher. He started at $200 for his Walk, but by the time I asked him he was up to $250, and soon it was $270. It was kinda beat, so I passed on it. I ended up not going to bed, and only got about an hour on the ride down.

We get to the venue after spending about three and half hours in Chris' snazzy mini-van with power doors and classy shit like that, and find out that there aren't any room left (surprise). We hit the road to find a place with vacancies and some food, which is when we discovered how asstacular Endicott's roads were -- especially the traffic lights that decided to stay red for all 4 directions. We hit up a Dunkin Donuts and make our way back to register our decks.

I needed a second Ground Seal for my board, but couldn't track one down. Bryce looked at me kind of funny when I told him about it during deck reg. Finally we get our decks ready and wait for the even to start.

Round 1: M.E.T.H.O.D. playing some Stax variant.

Game 1: I go nutty with Dryad and counter his key spells. Eventually I run out of gas and his lock components start coming down. Nothing too notable except that he had a few problems with the correct counters on his Gemstone Mines, but nothing too bad.

It was about then that I realized I should ask people before riffling their decks. Neutral For the second game, he asked me to be gentle, so I gave it the lightest riffle known to man, and he still cringed. *shrug*

Game 2: I go busted with the loverly green lady and counter the few business spells he tries to resolve. I decided not to side in Ground Seals for this game because I hadn't seen any Welders. For game 3, I remembered to bring in the Hydroblasts but completely forgot about the Seals, which I feel did affect the outcome of the match.

Game 3: This time, he asks me if he can riffle his deck instead of letting me do it. Since this seems a lot more laid back than the T2 events I've attended, I think about it for a few seconds. But before I say anything, he reaches over and "riffles" his deck, even though it was more like clump shuffling, as he just dropped clump after clump on top of each other. Live and learn, I suppose.

I get an early Dryad and a turn 2 Flux, but I can't get the Dryad above 2/2 until the turn before I get wrecked by Balance. Next time, I'll have to count my lands, since I kept a Walk, but couldn't hit a land until he had already hit 3 or so. I finally tear into mana, and drop a dryad, but it's a bit late. I have a Cunning Wish in hand, but can't get a Hydroblast since I brought them both in. Silly me, I decide not to grab one of the other infinite creature removal spells in my board.  Crying or Very sad
I had already drawn a Blast, and had it been a Ground Seal, the match would have gone much differently, as he Welded out Vault before it did the last point of damage to him, and kept Welding in lock components and the like.

At one point during the match, I look over to the table next to me and see my friend Chris randomly lose a game to Squirrelcraft. In the next game, I see his opponent Mystical and put a Forest on top and then ask if he can do that. Yay for Mirage tutors and mana sources.  
0-1, 1-2

Round 2: Some guy with draw7 featuring artilands. (It's written on the notes I can't find, I swear.)

Game 1: I counter a draw7 and beat with a loverly green lady. At one point, I get Crucible/Fastbond/Strip and kill his only lands, then Hurkyl's Recall his board. He drops a bunch of mana and casts Wheel. I shrug and get a much, much better hand, and Force whatever spell he tried to play.

Game 2: He casts a turn 2 Transmute Artifact for Gilded Lotus, which is fine by me, since he already had 7 up and didn't do anything of consequence. I eot Vamp -> Flux and he spends the rest of the game putting half his board in the bin and tapping down the other half to pay upkeep.
1-1, 3-2

Round 3: Guy with TPS.

Game 1: Thanks to Carl, everyone seems to like storm combo now. I see a bunch of artifacts on his turn 1. I untap and resolve Tinker. He asks to see the Iron Giant and then scoops.

Game 2: Not knowing what he's playing, I bring in Flux. I drop it around turn 3 or so, and it does it's job. I'm able to Strip his lands (the guy next to me mentioned that Crucible/Strip was broken -- I guess he didn't see me resolve the Fastbond) and at one point he plays LED and Lotus. He pops Lotus for blue and announces Twister. I ask, "are you passing priority?" After thinking for a few seconds (and adding to the mental feeling of defeat, I imagine) he decides to pop the LED for black. I show him the Drain and he scoops.
2-1, 5-2

Round 4: Matt with Drain Slaver

I end up actually chatting with him, which isn't something I normally do. I let slip that this is my first T1 tourney and he tells me he doesn't believe me, and then tells me this is his first big T1 event. I point out his islands signed by random TMD'ers and he said he just had it done today. But from the way he hung around the featured match table, I guess he's been to these before...I just wish I knew who he was.

Game 1: I saw an Island and a Darksteel Citadel before Collussus got his second swing in. Neutral

Game 2: It was close, but he can pull out an active Welder and Slave me for the 2 crucial turns before he kills me while he's within Dryad range.

Game 3: I Walk into an early Flux followed up with a Ground Seal. I was a bit lacking in the threat department, and he eventually resolved a Tinker -> Angel about the same time I resolved a 'Tog. It gets a few swings in before bringing me to 1, and I go over the fairly decent lists of outs left in my deck in my head. I rip a Demonic off the top, and note that my Crucible is on the bottom. I drop it, and he starts to get an idea of what's going on as I dig through my yard for my Strip. I eat his Volc leaving him with only an Island and his Angel in play. He looks dejectedly at my Flux before I swing for lethal. He untaps and dies with his Angel.
3-1, 7-3

Round 5: Andy with 'Tog.

I didn't check the first set of pairings, since they weren't accurate, and the second set paired me against my teammate playing Burninator, which had never gone well for me. Frown town. Then I see another teammate talking to Bryce and Kowal, and they end up putting up a third set of pairings...which I was happy about at first, until I checked my pairings.
Andy's the first opponent whose name I recognize, and I start to get a bit more nervous than before. However, he gets mad props for being an all around cool guy, especially the way he shuffles. His ultra pimp deck was actually curved from the shuffling he did. I can totally admire a guy that isn't afraid to play with his cards.

Game 1: I have a totally busted hand, but my only mana source is an Emerald. Had it been a Sapphire or I'd have had a land in place of it or a Whisper's I definitely would have kept. I mention how broken it is as I ship it, and Carl Winters who was next to us asked if I was being facetious. Not wanting to give much away, I just said it was broken, just a bit lacking in the mana department. I keep a hand of 6 that will be great as long as I don't draw infinite land. I'm sure you can all guess what happened. At one point, he Duresses me while I'm holding 2 Trops, a Tinker, and a Collussus.

Game 2: I get a bit better hand, but he outdraws and outcounters me. I get my 'Tog out, and they stare each other down for awhile before he goes nutty with his full grip and casts Echoing Truth on our 'Togs, then Walks. Frown.

Afterwards, I ask him to sign my 'Tog and he obliges, and gives me a print out of one with some art that he had done. We chat about my deck a bit, and I decide that he's by far the coolest guy I've met so far.
3-2, 7-5

Round 6: Kowal with MonoU. *sigh* What a way to start my first tournament...I already knew he had monoU which was a tough battle for me as it were, not to mention he has countless more hours in testing than I did. X-3 finishes don't make me feel too good about myself.

Game 1: I don't remember much other than I thought he came off a bit arrogant in this game as he wrecked me and I scooped. I almost asked him where he got his life counter, which had some really pimp Rebecca Guay art, but coming off a resounding loss last round and with the way this one was shaping up, it slipped my mind.

Game 2: I got to know him a bit better and decided that he was a pretty cool guy. It was also about this game I started getting over the mental defeat I suffered the last round (which is something I need to work on avoiding). He had me on the ropes the entire game, but I tried not to let him know it and just played for the fun of it. I ended up not being able to even find threats this game, despite Wishing for FoF, resolving it, and resolving it again off a Will. At one point, I Wish for Edict and he laughs when I cast it and he sacs his Phid. Then he starts to wonder, and we take a few minutes to joke about my '99 Keeper-esque tech as I Regrow itand eat his Morphling. By the time I find another creature, I have enough to cast it, FoW, and Drain, but I'm at 2 with a Phid staring me down. I cast 'Tog, he Drains, I Drain and he lets it resolve. I start feeling mentally defeating again and he flashes the Control Magic.

I decide to get it together and make sure I leave this even with a winning record. I definitely didn't want to start of my first tournament with a losing record.
3-3, 7-7

Round 7: Some guy with Fish.

Game 1: I keep a nutty but risky hand consisting of Walk, Tinker, Collussus, Brainstorm, and only 1 mana source. I play my Island, and Brainstorm into Ruby, fetch, and something else. I put the Colussus and fetch on top, drop the Ruby and pass the turn. He plays a Strand, pops it for an Island, and attempts to resolve a Recall, which is promply Dazed, making him wonder what the hell I'm playing. I draw my fetch, drop it and shuffle away my Colussus, then cast Walk, and Tinker him up on my Walk turn. He scoops.

Game 2: I had no idea what he was playing, so I didn't sideboard at all. I remember Forcing a Lavamancer, keeping counters in my hand, and beating down with the loverly green lady for an easy win.
4-3, 9-7

Pretty stainsy, but I ended up 25th, which earned me a pack of 5D. Had I known exactly how much Bryce had lost at the time, I probably wouldn't have taken it. I have mad respect for Bryce after this event, and made a point to shake his hand and thank him after the event.

I really think it's getting close to time to cut the Tinker/Collussus, as people are beginning to prepare for it, so they don't randomly lose to it. Since I don't like not being able to randomly win, I may put the second 'Tog back in instead of the Collussus. Or just play Hulk. Wink

I hate props/slops...so here they are.
Props:
The hotel managers for not speaking Enlisgh (we didn't have to pay for a second night after sleeping in)
The loverly green lady
My opponents that lost to me
The Iron Giant for randomly making my opponents scoop
My computer for not crashing while typing this

Slops:
The hotel managers for not speaking English
The Burger King girl for being dumb and bitchy
The dudes that kicked my ass
Endicott's roads
Not being able to sleep
My computer for hating me

Apologies for the really lengthy report with a lack of funny stories. But I had an absolute blast and am really looking forward to being able to hit up another tourney with the TMD crowd. I just want to thank Bryce, Kowal, and the rest for having such a great event, Brass Man for signing my 'Tog, Carl Winters for signing my friend's Death Wishes because he was too scared to ask himself Razz, and the PSU crew for finally heading down to a tournament.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 12:41:01 am »

nice report, I would've done one too, but no sense since I only placed lile 42 or around there. Bummer, but nice job anyways.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 12:42:41 am »

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It was about then that I realized I should ask people before riffling their decks.  For the second game, he asked me to be gentle, so I gave it the lightest riffle known to man, and he still cringed. *shrug*


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Game 3: This time, he asks me if he can riffle his deck instead of letting me do it. Since this seems a lot more laid back than the T2 events I've attended, I think about it for a few seconds. But before I say anything, he reaches over and "riffles" his deck, even though it was more like clump shuffling, as he just dropped clump after clump on top of each other. Live and learn, I suppose.


Yes, you do realize the value differential between the two formats?  I think he took it easy on you for taking his deck and riffle shuffling it, this shouldn't even be a complaint on your part.  You can shuffle affectively without "riffle shuffling"
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 01:04:16 am »

Riffling is fine as long as you're gentle about it. He showed me the riffle he used, and it probably did less damage than an average side shuffle.

That said, riffling without asking is not a great way to make friends in Type 1.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 01:11:18 am »

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Yes, you do realize the value differential between the two formats?  I think he took it easy on you for taking his deck and riffle shuffling it, this shouldn't even be a complaint on your part.  You can shuffle affectively without "riffle shuffling"

He took it easy on me for randomizing his deck? Well shit, maybe I'll just invite my opponents to stack their decks before we start, lest I damage their precious power cards. Rolling Eyes
I also missed the part where every remark suddenly became a complaint.

I'll assume you've never seen me shuffle. I always make a point to shuffle my opponent's decks extra gently, with just enough force to get the corners of the cards interwoven, and then I slide them together -- it's a lot like grip shuffling (is that the right term?) except it's a hell of a lot easier on the corners of the sleeves. At any rate, I think it's pretty shitty of you to assume I'm giving these decks something like a playing card riffle followed by a bridge or something else that could potentially damage the cards.

If you're worried about the value of your cards, then put them in a screwdown case, keep them out of your deck, and don't play with them. And until you actually see my shuffling, don't tell me that it's excessive. He was the only one that complained about my shuffling all day long. I'd also like to point out that I put my Beta power through the same shuffling process, and it still looks good as new.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 02:20:55 pm »

S[/color]mall correction.[/color]

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I got to know him a bit better and decided that he was a pretty cool guy.


Ben Kowal WAS a pretty cool guy until[/color] he left his roots as a member of T[/color]eam H[/color]adley and joined T[/color]eam Shortbus. I dont think PTW and co. have met[/color] this kid,[/color] but if they ever do[/color] they will[/color] change their minds[/color] pretty fucking fast.

Made a few small corrections of my own.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 02:54:15 pm »

Riffle shuffing is NOT fine.  There are numerous ways to shuffle/randomize and riffle shuffling is the least respectful.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 03:23:16 pm »

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Riffle shuffing is NOT fine.  There are numerous ways to shuffle/randomize and riffle shuffling is the least respectful.

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I'll assume you've never seen me shuffle. I always make a point to shuffle my opponent's decks extra gently, with just enough force to get the corners of the cards interwoven, and then I slide them together -- it's a lot like grip shuffling (is that the right term?) except it's a hell of a lot easier on the corners of the sleeves. At any rate, I think it's pretty shitty of you to assume I'm giving these decks something like a playing card riffle followed by a bridge or something else that could potentially damage the cards.

But perhaps instead of simply bitching at me for randomizing my opponent's decks, you could give some sort of constructive criticism or suggestions. Or at the very least, elaborate on these "numerous" ways to randomize decks without offending a bunch of guys that decide to pimp their decks to the point that they're afraid to actually play with them.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 03:30:34 pm »

Generally I'm fine with riffling my deck, but I get a little nervous when other people do it.  Some people just don't riffle well and can cause serious damage, especially to foils.

I default to saying "no" when people asked to riffle my deck at Endicott because I had Jacob Orlove's Mox Jet in there.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004, 03:37:09 pm »

I tried to be as nice as possible when you shuffled my deck.

I used to not care and riffle my decks all day long until i destroyed my cards. So once i started getting into foils and stuff I started pile shuffling.

I also borrowed my friends 4x workshops, Lotus, and Sapphire, so I really wasn't comfortable with someone else shuffling.  If I owned everything I wouldn't be that anal about it.

Like I wasn't trying to sound like a douche, If i came off like that Im sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004, 03:55:58 pm »

Just a few thoughts.

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But perhaps instead of simply bitching at me for randomizing my opponent's decks, you could give some sort of constructive criticism or suggestions. Or at the very least, elaborate on these "numerous" ways to randomize decks without offending a bunch of guys that decide to pimp their decks to the point that they're afraid to actually play with them.


Addolorsi: Riffle shuffling is just terrible. It isn't that fact that people are afraid to play with their cards- it is the fact that riffle shuffling causes unneeded damage. Damaging the cards causes them to go down in price, therefore:

Riffle Shuffling = Stealing Money from your opponent

If you want to randomize your opponents deck past cutting (which I suggest you do so), you can just separate it into two piles and gently glide them into each other. This doesn't damage the cards at all, yet you still get the "riffle" effect.

Riffling your opponents deck when these other options exist simply show you have no respect for your opponent or his belongings.

Here is a primer for shuffling correctly, with pictures!

Step 1: Pick up opponent's deck.



Step 2: Separate it into two piles in your hands.



Step 3: Gently push the two piles together, creating a "riffle" effect. You usually only give it a slight push, and then open the non-pushing hand a bit to let the top pile slide in.



Step 4: Repeat, then give your opponent his damn deck back.



I suggest doing this at least three times, then cutting it before giving it back.

If  desired, you can pile shuffle before or after doing this- 7 piles is optimal.

If done easily and slowly, there is zero damage to the corners of the sleeves.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004, 04:11:49 pm »

Nice pics Kerz

If someone attempted to riffle shuffle my deck I believe I would ask them not to and to instead pile shuffle instead.  T2 decks are worth $300, T1 about 10 x that.

And we did meet Kowal before we invited him to our team.  Who we invite to TSB is none of your concern.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2004, 04:13:05 pm »

One time ,my opponent wanted to riffle shuffle by deck, I requetsed that he didn't but informed me that it is "DCI" rules that he has to.  I really didn't want him to, but just let it go.  This was after he threatened to call a judge then have him ripple shuffle it.  I hate people who insists on rippling shuffling, especially without your consent.  It felt good owning him 2-0  Very Happy
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2004, 04:18:04 pm »

@M.E.T.H.O.D: I didn't take offense or anything to your reaction, as I thought you were pretty reasonable about the whole thing. And I'll freely admit that I should have asked you first during game 1; which was mostly why I brought it up in the first place. Being my first tournament, I didn't realize that the idea alone would piss people off. As I said, I tried to be as gentle as possible on all of my opponent's decks.

@Kowal: I can understand completely what you mean about some people shuffling like dickheads. But watching your opponent shuffle before he presents can usually be a good indication of what he'll do to your deck. In all honesty, I didn't like shuffling your deck, because I saw the corners already starting to get messed up from the last 5 rounds of shuffling, and didn't want to risk further damage.

So in general, it's mostly the fact that I tried to be as gentle as possible, and now two people who've never even seen my shuffling decided to tell me that it was bad. If anything, I'd like some feedback from my opponents, or other people that saw me shuffling that day. Er...make that a bunch more, judging by the topic review.

I think the biggest problem here is everyone's knee-jerk reaction to the term "riffle" but I honestly don't know what else to call my shuffling. So I'll just try explaining it one more time:
1. I pull the deck into two piles.
2. I run my thumbs across the sides, so that enough air gets between the cards that the corners become interwoven.
3. I slide the two piles fully into one another.
I think one of my roommates has a camera, so I'll ask if I can borrow it when she gets back and try to get pics of it.

This ends up a lot like the shuffling method that Kerz was assuming I didn't understand, except that it doesn't mash the corners together and destroy the sleeves. Given that not everyone plays with brand new sleeves, I don't like the idea of splitting one at the corner while jamming the corner of another sleeve into the now unprotected card inside, which is precisely why I shuffle the way I do. Even if you take the time to try and make sure that you don't damage the corners, it's never gauranteed -- especially with older sleeves. Since I don't feel that my shuffling method damages cards more that the suggested method, I see no reason to change that.

@Both Triple_S and Kerz: Pile shuffling is not randomization.

@FireFall26: I'm fairly certain I've already mentioned that I asked every single opponent after seeing M.E.T.H.O.D's reaction. I'm also fairly certain that I never insisted -- you could probably check with Kowal, as he was the only other person to ask me not to.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2004, 04:26:00 pm »

<3 Kerz!!

That how-to-shuffle-opponents-deck should be a sticky thread!

Getting back on topic, congrats on the high place at your first T1 tournament. Personally, I get very offended when someone riffles my stuff. Even if it's jank. I paid money for the cards, why should someone else destroy them? The destruction of property belonging to others is called vandalism where I come from.

I'm not trying to sound harsh, but there are other things you can do. As T1 is a more relaxed format, most people don't stack their decks, and only opt tp cut the deck as a formality. At least you had the decency to ask the second game.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2004, 04:27:51 pm »

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We know, but it is a good way to spread the cards in your deck around before doing your actual shuffling (riffle or whatever). Mike Flores said:

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Let me clue you in on something. There is really no such thing as table shuffling as people typically execute this very common practice. The rules stated goal of shuffling in Magic is to randomize your deck. Patterned three-, four-, or five-pile table shuffling is predetermined. There is only one place for any card to fall in the pattern (1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3; 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1; etc.) so it is impossible to achieve any true randomization.

But I do it. You probably do it too. Table shuffling is good because it lets us make sure we have the right number of cards (more on that in the bonus section), and it separates our "land clumps." By the way, separating our land clumps is saucy if you don't want to get manascrewed (flooded), but not a good idea as the DCI defines randomization. If we know that our land is clumped, and we are specifically separating it into specific piles so that it is specifically not clumped in a 1, 2, 3, 4 pattern... we are not randomizing.


The damage caused to the cards, even by the sleight bending motion you use, is probably worse than what is caused by the shuffling method I showed. Honestly, if you do it gently the corners don't split.

But whatever.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2004, 04:29:13 pm »

Pileshuffling in piles which do not divide evenly into the total number of cards in the deck creates sufficient randomization for every judge I have talked to.  If someone attempted to riffle shuffle my cards I would ask that you pile shuffle in this method or that we call a judge so that he can properly randomize the decks.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2004, 04:47:52 pm »

Calling a judge to shuffle is something I have no problem with. Being asked only to pile shuffle is something I do have a problem with. I generally do a 7-pile myself before doing the rest of my shuffling, and I don't feel that it sufficiently randomizes the deck. Certainly not to the equivalent of the 3 pile shuffles mentioned in the DCI floor rules, prior to presenting your deck to your opponent.

Kerz: The "slight bending" would only occur on the top few cards, assuming I didn't ease up and just let them drop into the pile.

Honestly, I'd just prefer to either end this debate now and keep posts focused on other ares of my report, or at least wait for someone who's actually seen my shuffling to comment. Instead of people accusing me of theft and vandalism, and trying to tell me that no one cheats in T1.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2004, 04:53:54 pm »

Do people cheat in vintage?  Probably, they do in every other format.  But, unlike every other format, the decks in this format are worth a lot more.  Being mindful of this, since you stated this was your first Vintage event, is something you think about in the future before you decide to riffle shuffle.

But anyways, congrats on your .500 finish.  (NOT being sarcastic)  Its a good start in the format.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2004, 05:53:02 pm »

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2004, 10:28:59 am »

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This ends up a lot like the shuffling method that Kerz was assuming I didn't understand, except that it doesn't mash the corners together and destroy the sleeves. [/quote]

I'd rather you mash the corners and ruin the sleeves - which are replacable, than riffle my deck.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2004, 11:11:10 am »

wow, think you can get different angles on that pile shuffling Kerz? I think I lost track between step 2 and 3.
think the step by step manual should be sticked for all to see?
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2004, 03:54:42 pm »

Alright I think this topic is getting off focus and its getting out of hand.

Stuff happened, it was discussed, I really don't care that much about it now.

And I forgot to mention this in my first post, but congrats.  You made quite a splash and a positive impression on me, and our games were quite interesting.

I hope I see you in future events.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2004, 05:26:01 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2004, 05:44:08 pm »

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Correct. It's just that we joked the entire way up about how something like that might happen. To see it actually come to pass was pretty funny. He was made to pick another (legal) card as far as I know.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2004, 07:10:55 pm »

If I can find my digital camera I can show you the correct way to not shuffle, and the damage it does to my cards. Also: this is why I don't shuffle my opponents decks.


(on the upside, my sleeves stay like-new for weeks!!)
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2004, 11:34:44 pm »

Kerz screw the debate/pictures over ripple shuffling you should show people how to play the slap game its so much better.

Some people are amazing at cheating so I understand the concern. But, after watching your opposer shuffle you should kinda of get a sense if they cheating. In most cases cutting a deck is good enough. Plus we cracked down on the proxies and marked cards and sleeves at the check station pretty hardcore so that eliminated a lot of cheating from being able to take place at the Endicott tourny.
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