Results of 3CB War of the Worlds 1

[wonkey_donkey]

I’d like to congratulate TMD as the winner of the FIRST 3CB WAR OF THE WORLDS!
Nice stuff guys. I’m *sniff* so proud.
Honorary mentions must go to Mr Gnome-it-all for scoring the highest overall, plecorich for achieving the highest TMD score, and (in my opinion) Pinky for playing the coolest deck with Jacob Orlove and plecorich having the best deck names (but that's cos I get the reference). I quite like my deck name too, but then I would.

The rules for this competition will be: Anything Goes!

Banned list:
Portal
Unglued
[card]Black Lotus[/card]
[card]Mesmeric Fiend[/card]
[card]Blackmail[/card]
[card]Cabal Therapy[/card]
[card]Encroach[/card]
[card]Anvil of Bogarden[/card]
[card]Strip Mine[/card]
[card]Wasteland[/card]
[card]Raze[/card]
[card]The Rack[/card]
[card]Wheel of Torture[/card]
[card]Balance[/card]
[card]Meddling Mage[/card]
[card]Isochron Scepter[/card]
[card]Phrexian Dreadnaught[/card]
[card]Lion's Eye Diamond[/card]
[card]Evil Presence[/card]
[card]Sea's Claim[/card]
[card]Nezumi Shortfang[/card]
[card]Leveler[/card]
[card]Glacial Chasm[/card]
All ‘double-discard’ cards
All decks incapable of winning under their own steam
Any non-mass-produced card.

The TMD Team:
Entrant – Deck Name – Deck

1.   wonkey_donkey - not bodyroc – [card]Tropical Island[/card], [card]Thallid[/card], [card]Daze[/card]
2.   leviat - no rest for the righteous - [card]Fountain of Cho[/card], [card]Fountain of Cho[/card], [card]Akroma, Angel of Wrath[/card]
3.   combo_dude - <3sphere - [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Trinisphere[/card], [card]Steel Golem[/card]
4.   MoreFling - Lumbercrack - [card]Taiga[/card], [card]Orcish Lumberjack[/card], [card]Aftershock[/card]
5.   xthexpunisherx - Destroythis.dec - [card]Rushwood Grove[/card], [card]Channel[/card], [card]Darksteel Colossus[/card]
6.   Jacob Orlove - The Usual Suspects - [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Ensnaring Bridge[/card], [card]Scalding Tongs[/card]
7.   Machinus - Fish Sticks - [card]Mox Sapphire[/card], [card]Mishras Factory[/card], [card]Hesitation[/card]
8.   Alfred - Nether Pox - [card]Bottomless Vault[/card], [card]Pox[/card], [card]Nether Spirit[/card]
9.   Pinky - Starsky.dec - [card]Mercadian Bazaar[/card], [card]Karakas[/card], [card]Starke of Rath[/card]
10.   10 .BlueJay - Dumb White Trash - [card]Ruins of Trokair[/card], [card]Mishras Factory[/card], [card]Serenity[/card]
11.   Nazdakka - Level Down - [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Sol Ring[/card], [card]Eater of Days[/card]
12.   Limbo - Burn, MTGNews, Burn - [card]Taiga[/card], [card]Orcish Lumberjack[/card], [card]Lavaborn Muse[/card]
13.   theorigamist - alltheanswers.dec - [card]Rushwood Grove[/card], [card]Tangle Asp[/card], [card]Nantuko Vigilante[/card]
14.   Nibble - Willpower.dec - [card]Saprazzan Cove[/card], [card]Avatar of Will[/card], [card]Force of Will[/card]
15.   plecorich - Lobachevsky.dec - [card]Rishadan Port[/card], [card]Mox Sapphire[/card], [card]Imaginary Pet[/card]

The MTGNews Team:
Entrant – Deck Name – Deck

1.   Goblinboy – Damned if you do…– [card]Saprazzan Cove[/card], [card]Nevinyrrals Disk[/card], [card]Thalakos Deciever[/card]
2.   Lone Warrior – Really?.dec – [card]Mox Pearl[/card], [card]Mishras Factory[/card], [card]Monk Realist[/card]
3.   Dusk_ - Smoke and Mirrors – [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Metalworker[/card], [card]Smokestack[/card]
4.   ImAtHome – Perfect TEN! – [card]Treetop Village[/card], [card]Eladamris Vineyard[/card], [card]Nantuko Vigilante[/card]
5.   stupid_kid171 – (No Name) – [card]Maze of Ith[/card], [card]Mercadian Bazaar[/card], [card]Form of the Dragon[/card]
6.   Fadeblue – Where There’s A Will….– [card]Saprazzan Cove[/card], [card]Force of Will[/card], [card]Avatar of Will[/card]
7.   Hivemaster – (No Name) – [card]Pendelhaven[/card], [card]Druid Lyrist[/card], [card]Elvish Scrapper[/card]
8.   god child – (No Name) – [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Mox Jet[/card], [card]Eater of Days[/card]
9.   r_x_666 – No-Form.dec – [card]Mishras Factory[/card], [card]Karakas[/card], [card]Serenity[/card]
10.   ra_69 – Preaching for Victory.dec – [card]Remote Farm[/card], [card]Karakas[/card], [card]Preacher[/card]
11.   Mr. Gnome-It-All – Sharp Stuff – [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Serrated Biskelion[/card], [card]Ferropede[/card]
12.   Quilt – (No Name) – [card]Mishras Workshop[/card], [card]Ensnaring Bridge[/card], [card]Scalding Tongs[/card]
13.   Bluemage76 – (No Name) – [card]Maze of Ith[/card], [card]Saprazzan Cove[/card], [card]Imaginary Pet[/card]
14.   Chimpanzee – (No Name) – [card]Tundra[/card], [card]Daze[/card], [card]Isamaru, Hound of Konda[/card]
15.   reedofalethia – Industrialism – [card]Mox Sapphire[/card], [card]Mishras Factory[/card], [card]Sphere of Resistance[/card]
   
How to read the table:
Match the deck# on the left with the deck # on top. Append a 1 where appropriate. The #s on the right of that deck correspond to how many points that deck received versus the deck on top. (Once again append a 1 where appropriate. The 1's are missing to make the table clearer)

Table 1 shows the TMD score against each MTGNews deck. The second table shows the opposite. It should be ok, but if not then I can try and explain.

----------TMD vs MTGNEWS----------
0  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5  Total
1| 0 4 3 6 0 6 6 3 6 6 1 4 1 4 3    53
2| 0 6 2 0 0 2 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 6    30
3| 0 4 2 6 0 2 4 0 6 0 0 0 0 6 3    33
4| 6 2 4 6 2 2 1 6 6 6 0 2 2 0 0    45
5| 6 6 0 6 0 6 6 0 6 0 0 0 2 4 1    48
6| 2 6 2 0 0 2 0 6 0 6 6 3 6 1 3    43
7| 3 4 6 6 2 2 2 3 2 6 2 2 2 2 4    48
8| 6 6 0 0 2 2 6 6 6 6 0 0 2 6 6    54
9| 6 6 0 0 0 2 6 6 6 6 0 6 2 6 6    58
0| 6 2 6 2 2 2 0 6 2 2 6 6 0 2 2    46
1| 6 6 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 6 0 2 3 6    35
2| 6 6 0 6 6 2 6 0 6 6 0 6 6 0 0    56
3| 2 6 0 6 6 0 2 0 6 2 0 6 2 6 6    50
4| 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2    27
5| 6 6 4 6 6 2 6 0 6 4 3 1 2 3 4    59
-----------MTGNEWS vs TMD---------
0  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5  Total
1| 6 6 6 0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0    27
2| 1 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 2 0     9
3| 3 2 2 1 6 2 0 6 6 0 2 6 0 2 1    45
4| 0 6 0 0 0 6 0 6 6 2 6 0 6 2 0    40
5| 6 6 6 2 6 6 2 2 6 2 6 0 0 2 0    52
6| 0 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 6 2 2    30
7| 0 0 1 4 0 6 2 0 0 6 6 0 2 4 0    31
8| 3 6 6 0 6 0 3 0 0 0 2 6 6 2 6    46
9| 0 6 0 0 0 6 2 0 0 2 6 0 0 2 0    24
0| 0 6 6 0 6 0 0 0 0 2 6 0 2 2 1    31
1| 4 6 6 6 6 0 2 6 6 0 0 6 6 6 3    63
2| 1 6 6 2 6 3 2 6 0 0 6 0 0 2 4    44
3| 4 2 6 2 2 0 2 2 2 6 2 0 2 2 2    36
4| 1 0 0 6 1 4 2 0 0 2 3 6 0 2 3    31
5| 3 0 3 6 4 3 1 0 0 2 0 6 0 2 1    31

Standings:

1:   Mr Gnome-it-all (MTG) 63
2:   plecorich (TMD) 59
3:   limbo (TMD) 56
4:   Alfred (TMD) 54
5:   wonkey_donkey (TMD) 53
6:   stupid_kid171 (MTG) 52
7:   Machinus (TMD) 50
8:   god_child (MTG) 46
xthexpunisherx (TMD)
10:   Dusk_ (MTG) 45
Morefling (TMD)
12:   BlueJay (TMD) 44
Quilt (MTG)
14:   Pinky (TMD) 42
theorigamist (TMD)
16:   Jacob Orlove (TMD) 41
Ra_69 (MTG)
18:   ImAtHome (MTG) 40
19:   Goblinboy (MTG) 39
20:   Bluemage76 (MTG) 36
21:   Nazdakka (TMD) 35
22:   combo_dude (TMD) 33
Fadeblue (MTG)
24:   Hivemaster (MTG) 31
leviat (TMD)
26:   r_x_666 (MTG) 30
27:   Chimpanzee (MTG) 28
28:   Nibble (TMD) 27
Reedofalethia (MTG)
30:   Lone Warrior (MTG) 7

Team Totals:
TMD - 658
MTGNews - 562

TMD WINS BY 94.

Well, a generally succesful experiment all told, I think. The result naturally had no bearing on this . Generally strong decks, with the metagame choice of ferropede being the strongest on this occasion. There were a lot of storage land decks around - I think people were looking for a slightly more risk-free strategy on this occasion.

Notable aspects for me were the resourcefulness of leviat's deck, goblinboy's usage of thalakos deceiver, and the surprising amount of karakas in the tournament - there aren't many decks that would use it truly constructively. I thought that one of the very strong decks to come out of this tournament was stupid_kid171's, as it has a fairly solid answer for most things. I was also surprised at the difference made by the choice of win condition in the 2 daze decks playing in the tournament - even allowing for the amount of storage land on the TMD team, it still made quite a difference.

Well, what are peoples' views on this? I thought it went OK, although sorry for the delay. Hopefully better next time. How do people see the feasability of doing this on other occasions? If so, then how often (bear in mind that this is on top of the 3CB tournaments and that Goblinboy and I don't have infinite time)?

I'd be interested to hear feedback on this.

Please let me know of any corrections that are necessary.

Tom

[leviat]

Lots of fun and I appreciate the work that both you and Goblin Boy have put into it. Thanks.

[Jacob Orlove]

This was great. There's so much awesome new 3CB tech to catch up on.

I'm glad you liked my deck name. This is the first time I've had a name I really liked.

[theorigamist]

I don't see why I get 0 points against ImAtHome.

Me: Rushwood Grove, Tangle Asp, Nantuko Vigilante

Him: Treetop Village, Eladamri's Vineyard, Nantuko Vigilante

If I go first:

Me1: Grove, go.
Him1: Treetop, go.
M2: Add a counter to Grove, go.
H2: Play Vineyard, go.
M3: Use Vineyard mana and Grove to play morph, go.
H3: Use Vineyard mana and Treetop to play Morph.
M4: Use Vineyard mana to unmorph Vigilante, killing the Vineyard.

From now on, I can build the Grove to play my Tangle Asp.  Either my Vigilante or my Asp will trade with his 2/2 morph, and his Treetop Village is worthless.  I would win.

If he goes first:

H1: Treetop, go.
M1: Grove, go.
H2: Vineyard, go.
M2: Use Vineyard mana to play Asp, add a counter to Grove, go.
H3: Use Vineyard mana and Treetop to play morph.
M3: Use Vineyard mana and Grove to play morph.

Now that I have both the morph and the Asp in play, he can't win.  I will morph and kill his Vineyard soon, and I'll let Asp trade with his Vigilante.  Once Vineyard is gone, his Treetop sits there useless again, so he's just left with the vanilla 2/2 against my Vigilante and Asp.

I should get 6 points here.

[xthexpunisherx]

Congrats to everyone on the Mana Drain for winning the 1st War of the Worlds!!!  The decks looked awesome especially Mr. Gnome-It-All that was an excellent deck!  This is the second time i've competed and it's a really fun and challenging format.  Good job to Wonkey for helping to organize it!  
Good luck to everyone in the next 3CB tourney.  And a big shout out to Channel->Collosus I'm surprised it did so well!   Top 8 w00t

Jared

Edit (sorry for the horrid spelling I worked overtime today)

[theorigamist]

Overall, I was impressed by the metagaming.  I was expecting the MTG crew to throw Workshops around because of losing Lotus, but they had as many Workshops as we did.  It was also a great idea to throw Ferropede up against Storage lands.

[Limbo]

Gimme a T, gimme an M, gimme a D. TMD!!!

We won, and it wasn't even close Also nice to see that I didn't lose my feeling for 3CB because of my absence. Still made top 3 in a 30 player field We should definatelt do this again. We will pwn MTGnews anytime, anyplace, anyhow.

[xthexpunisherx]

I think with the new format for 3CB #43 and the recent War of the Worlds we should continue to increase the number of different formats (who is for Homelands, Fallen Empire, Alliances?)
And I believe we should set some cards that should be in "all sets" (i.e. storage lands, city of traitors)  In order to keep the new formats interesting.  Any comments?

[Chifley]

Hmmm... Top 10, and 3rd place of the 'newsers. I was quite happy with my deck, because I saw that TMD didn't really use Eater all that much. Heh.


Not much else to say, but congratulations. Oh, and I'm God Child.

[Goblinboy]

Did you forget to add the corrections I sent you? I guess they got lost in the email again.
I think you guys still won, but not by nearly as much:

Corrections:

TMD 2 vs MTGNews 6
Your results: 3-3
My results - 2-2
Shouldn't change anything but player rankings. Akroma will always get Forced.

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 6
Your results: 2-2
My results: 6-0 TMD
If Channel gets Forced, X just uses Grove to play Colossus. If Colossus gets forced, it goes back to library, gets redrawn, played again, win. If Force isn't played, and Fadeblue goes for Avatar for UU, Colossus will come out with X at 9 life, then Fade can play Avatar, then X swings (9-9), then Fade swings (4-9) then X swings (9-0, win)

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 14
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Ch goes first:
Ch: Tundra, Isamaru
X: Grove
Ch: 20-18
X: Counter 1
Ch: 20-16
X: Counter 2
Ch: 20-14
X: Counter 3 (Daze protection)
Ch: 20-12
X: Cast Channel, floating 1, pay 10 life, it gets Dazed, pay another life (20-1)
Draw, since if Colossus swings, Isamaru kills.

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 15
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 1-4 MTG
If X goes first
X: Grove
R: Mox/Mishra/Sphere
X: Counter 1
R: 20-18
X: Counter 2
R: 20-16
X: Counter 3 (get around Sphere)
R: 20-14
X: Pay 3 mana for Channel, pay 12 life for Colossus (Sphere) (20-2)
Draw, since if Colossus swings, Factory will kill

If R goes first:
R: Mox/Mishra/Sphere
X: Grove
R: 20-18
X: counter 1
R: 20-16
X: counter 2
R: 20-14
X: counter 3
R: 20-12
X: Doesn't have enough life for colossus, can't live the 9 turns for Grove to play it

TMD 6 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 2-2
If Jacob drops Bridge, I either do nothing (draw) or drop Deciever and start attacking while he has 1 card in hand. Then, if he drops Tongs, I can't attack anymore. If I Disk, I lose the Deciever and it's a tie.
If he drops Tongs first, I Disk it and lay Deciver, but Bridge keeps it from attacking

TMD 7 vs MTGNews 14
Your results: 4-1 TMD
My results: 2-2
Hesitation operates, under current Oracle wordings, like Standstill, so the "Standstill Trick" works. Chimpanzee just plays his Isamaru, lets the Hesitation trigger go on the stack, and responds by Dazing his own Isamaru. The Hesitation will retrigger, then sac to counter the Daze instead of the Isamaru. Then, it's 2/2 vs Factory standoff.

TMD 8 vs MTGNews 2
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Lone goes first:
L: Mox/Factory/Realist
A: Pit
L: 20-17
A: Counter 1
L: 20-14
A: Counter 2
L: 20-11
A: Counter 3
L: 20-10 (Does NOT attack with Factory)
A: Casts Pox. In response, L activates Factory. A loses (10/3 = 3.33 round up 4 life) L loses 7 life. (13-6). Creature sacrifices come before Land sacrifices on Pox, so Factory is sac'd as a creature before land needs to be sacrificed. Realist lives. A discards Spirit.
L: 13-5 (realist swing)
A: Spirit returns. Realist cannot swing into untapped Spirit, b/c it will die. However, Realist only needs 5 swings to win, while Spirit needs 7. Thus, Spirit will not swing.

TMD 9 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 2-2
My results: 6-0 TMD
Starke can kill Deceiver and Karakas back for the kill, it can kill the Disk and Karakas back for the kill. And it's faster than both. Win for Starke.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 6-0 TMD
Factory is a faster clock than Deciever, and cannot be stolen by Deciever. Disk could get rid of Factory, but whenever it hits the table, Serenity will follow, and Factory will remain a land until Serenity goes off.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 2
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 2-2
Serenity has the capability to kill the Mox, but whenever Serenity hits the table, Realist will follow, killing Serenity before it can kill the Mox. Then, it's a creature stalemate.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Dusk_ goes first:
D: Workshop/Metalworker
BJ: Ruins
D: Smokestack
BJ: Serenity
D: Counter on Smokestack
BJ: Serenity will destroy all artifacts, but Smokestack will force BJ to sac either Ruins or Factory. Then, D will have nothing, but BJ will have no active creatures, creating a draw.

TMD 12 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 2-2
My results: 0-6 MTG
If Dusk_ goes second:
L: Taiga/Lumberjack
D: Workshop/Metalworker
L: Muse
D: (20-17) Smokestack
L: Swing (20-13)
D: (20-10) Counter on Smokestack
L: Sac Lumberjack, swing (20-7)
D: (20-4) Decline counter on Smokestack, sac Workshop
L: Sac Muse
D: Sac Smokestack, swing with Metalworker for win

TMD 12 vs MTGNews 10
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 6-0 TMD
The opponent chooses which creature Preacher takes, so Lumberjack will be stolen, but Muse can win without attacking.

TMD 13 vs MTGNews 10
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 2-2
Preacher will be given the Tangle Asp. If the Asp attacks, Vigilante will kill first. If Asp does not attack, neither will Vigilante, so it is a tie.

-Goblinboy

[Machinus]

w00t for never losing a match!

[Goblinboy]

Here are the new results, with an interesting stat on there: the NET POINTS you made for your team. Someone winning 1 match and losing 2 matches may make the same number of points as someone who tied 3 times, but they have lost 6 NET points because the opponent got 12 points where he only got 6.

An interesting fact: While Mr. Gnome-It-All got the most points, plechorich actually tipped the scales more than he did!
And the biggest scale-tipper: Lone Warrior, scoring 60 more points for TMD than he scored for MTGNews.

AFTER CORRECTIONS: (heh, they actually widened the gap!)


----------TMD vs MTGNEWS----------
X| 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5
1| 0-4-3-6-0-6-6-3-6-6-1-4-1-4-3 = 53 (+18)
2| 0-6-2-0-0-2-6-0-0-0-0-0-2-6-6 = 30 (-24)
3| 0-4-2-6-0-2-4-0-6-0-0-0-0-6-3 = 33 (-18)
4| 6-2-4-6-2-2-1-6-6-6-0-2-2-0-0 = 45 (+12)
5| 6-6-0-6-0-6-6-0-6-0-0-0-2-4-1 = 43 (+0)
6| 2-6-2-0-0-2-0-6-0-6-6-3-6-1-3 = 43 (+3)
7| 3-4-6-6-2-2-2-3-2-6-2-2-2-2-4 = 48 (+24)
8| 6-4-0-0-2-2-6-6-6-6-0-0-2-6-6 = 52 (+21)
9| 6-6-0-0-0-2-6-6-0-0-0-6-2-6-6 = 46 (+6)
0| 6-2-4-2-2-2-0-6-2-2-6-6-0-2-2 = 44 (+15)
1| 6-6-2-0-0-2-0-2-0-0-6-0-2-3-6 = 35 (-12)
2| 6-6-0-6-6-2-6-0-6-6-0-6-6-0-0 = 56 (+24)
3| 2-6-0-0-6-0-2-0-6-2-0-6-2-6-6 = 44 (+6)
4| 2-2-2-2-2-2-1-2-2-2-0-2-2-2-2 = 27 (-9)
5| 6-6-4-6-6-2-6-0-6-4-3-1-2-3-4 = 59 (+36)!!

-----------MTGNEWS vs TMD---------
X| 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0-1-2-3-4-5
1| 6-6-6-0-0-2-3-0-0-0-0-0-2-2-0 = 27 (-30)
2| 1-0-1-2-0-0-1-1-0-2-0-0-0-2-0 = 10 (-60)!!
3| 3-2-2-1-6-2-0-6-6-1-2-6-6-2-1 = 46 (+15)
4| 0-6-0-0-0-6-0-6-6-2-6-0-6-2-0 = 40 (-6)
5| 6-6-6-2-6-6-2-2-6-2-6-0-0-2-0 = 52 (+24)
6| 0-2-2-2-0-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-6-2-2 = 30 (-6)
7| 0-0-1-4-0-6-2-0-0-6-6-0-2-4-0 = 31 (-24)
8| 3-6-6-0-6-0-3-0-0-0-2-6-6-2-6 = 46 (+6)
9| 0-6-0-0-0-6-2-0-6-2-6-0-0-2-0 = 30 (-24)
0| 0-6-6-0-6-0-0-0-6-2-6-0-2-2-1 = 37 (-9)
1| 4-6-6-6-6-0-2-6-6-0-0-6-6-6-3 = 63 (+33)
2| 1-6-6-2-6-3-2-6-0-0-6-0-0-2-4 = 44 (+6)
3| 4-2-6-2-2-0-2-2-2-6-2-0-2-2-2 = 36 (+3)
4| 1-0-0-6-1-4-2-0-0-2-3-6-0-2-3 = 30 (-21)
5| 3-0-3-6-4-3-1-0-0-2-0-6-0-2-1 = 31 (-18)

Standings:

1: Mr Gnome-it-all (MTG) 63
2: plecorich (TMD) 59
3: limbo (TMD) 56
4: wonkey_donkey (TMD) 53
5: Alfred (TMD) 52
5: stupid_kid171 (MTG) 52
7: Machinus (TMD) 48
8: god_child (MTG) 46
8: Pinky (TMD) 46
8: Dusk_ (MTG) 46
11: Morefling (TMD) 45
12: BlueJay (TMD) 44
12: Quilt (MTG) 44
12: theorigamist (TMD) 44
15: xthexpunisherx (TMD) 43
15: Jacob Orlove (TMD) 43
18: ImAtHome (MTG) 40
19: Ra_69 (MTG) 37
20: Bluemage76 (MTG) 36
21: Nazdakka (TMD) 35
22: combo_dude (TMD) 33
23: Hivemaster (MTG) 31
23: Reedofalethia (MTG) 31
25: leviat (TMD) 30
25:Fadeblue (MTG) 30
25: r_x_666 (MTG) 30
25: Chimpanzee (MTG) 30
29: Goblinboy (MTG) 27
29: Nibble (TMD) 27
30: Lone Warrior (MTG) 10

Team Totals:
TMD - 658
MTGNews - 562

-Goblinboy

[Machinus]

Here are the new results, with an interesting stat on there: the NET POINTS you made for your team. Someone winning 1 match and losing 2 matches may make the same number of points as someone who tied 3 times, but they have lost 6 NET points because the opponent got 12 points where he only got 6.

An interesting fact: While Mr. Gnome-It-All got the most points, plechorich actually tipped the scales more than he did!
And the biggest scale-tipper: Lone Warrior, scoring 60 more points for TMD than he scored for MTGNews.

I was hoping for a ranking of relative team contributions. Here is your data just in ordered form. Player values for each team:

TMD
1. plechorich  (36)
2. Limbo (24)
2. Machinus (24)
4. Alfred (21)
5. wonkey_donkey (18)
6. Bluejay (15)
7. MoreFling (12)
8. theorigamist (6)
8. Pinky (6)
10. Jacob Orlove (3)
11. xthexpunisherx (0)
12. Nibble (-9)
13. Nazdakka (-12)
14. combo_dude (-18)
15. leviat (-24)

MTG
1. Mr. Gnome-It-All (33)
2. stupid_kid171 (24)
3. Dusk_ (15)
4. god child (6)
4. Quilt (6)
6. Bluemage76 (3)
7. ImAtHome (-6)
7. Fadeblue (-6)
9. ra_69 (-9)
10. reedofalethia (-18)
11. Chimpanzee (-21)
12. Hivemaster (-24)
12. r_x_666 (-24)
14. Goblinboy (-30)
15. Lone Warrior (-60)

I got different point totals so maybe there is an error somewhere. Many negative scorers for MTGnews.

[Goblinboy]

How about War of the Worlds #2 over Week Before +Thanksgiving Week?

(That's 2nd and 3rd week in November for you non-USers)

But remember, MTGNews ban list based this time, that means Lotus Inclusive.    It's Home Team time!

-Goblinboy

[theorigamist]

Wait, can you tell me how I don't win 6-0 against MTG 4?  See my first post for the specifics of the matchup.

[Goblinboy]

You are correct. I guess we both missed that one. If I get a chance I'll change it on my post, but it's not like it matters, you whooped us anyway  

Eh. There are bound to be errors when you have 225 matches to compute, none of which are reusable.

-Goblinboy

[Pinky]

I think I won both match 9 and 10 :

TMD9 VS MTGNEWS9 : I abuse the new legend rule to kill his Karakas so he can't activate his mishra. Then I drop Starke and proceed to Starkown him. 6-0
TMD9 VS MTGNEWS10 : I abuse the new legend rule to kill his Karakas so he can't play his Preacher. Then I drop Starke and proceed to Starkown him  6-0


New Legend Rule 4Life!!!

[BlueJay]

Yep it was a fun tournament all around. 12th place general and 6th place TMD, is ok. Props for wonkey_donkey and goblinboy.

@Goblinboy I don't really appreciate being called BJ (Just kiding!) Though it made some of your tournament report a lot funnier to read  

[theorigamist]

but it's not like it matters, you whooped us anyway

True, but, for what it's worth, that extra six points puts me in the top eight while simultaneiously knocking two MTG people out of the top eight.

[Nazdakka]

Hmm... Eater was not my greatest idea ever :-/. With the benefit of hindsight, 5 turns is just too slow a clock.

[wonkey_donkey]

Did you forget to add the corrections I sent you? I guess they got lost in the email again.

This kind of thing explains the delay in getting the results up   .

TMD 2 vs MTGNews 6
Your results: 3-3
My results - 2-2
Shouldn't change anything but player rankings. Akroma will always get Forced.

OK, not sure why I got that as a 3-3 match. Changed.

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 6
Your results: 2-2
My results: 6-0 TMD
If Channel gets Forced, X just uses Grove to play Colossus. If Colossus gets forced, it goes back to library, gets redrawn, played again, win. If Force isn't played, and Fadeblue goes for Avatar for UU, Colossus will come out with X at 9 life, then Fade can play Avatar, then X swings (9-9), then Fade swings (4-9) then X swings (9-0, win)

Tick. I forgot about the reshuffling. Changed.

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 14
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Ch goes first:
Ch: Tundra, Isamaru
X: Grove
Ch: 20-18
X: Counter 1
Ch: 20-16
X: Counter 2
Ch: 20-14
X: Counter 3 (Daze protection)
Ch: 20-12
X: Cast Channel, floating 1, pay 10 life, it gets Dazed, pay another life (20-1)
Draw, since if Colossus swings, Isamaru kills.

This was me making assumptions - I'd assumed that once the colossus got down, it'd win. Changed.

TMD 5 vs MTGNews 15
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 1-4 MTG
If X goes first
X: Grove
R: Mox/Mishra/Sphere
X: Counter 1
R: 20-18
X: Counter 2
R: 20-16
X: Counter 3 (get around Sphere)
R: 20-14
X: Pay 3 mana for Channel, pay 12 life for Colossus (Sphere) (20-2)
Draw, since if Colossus swings, Factory will kill

If R goes first:
R: Mox/Mishra/Sphere
X: Grove
R: 20-18
X: counter 1
R: 20-16
X: counter 2
R: 20-14
X: counter 3
R: 20-12
X: Doesn't have enough life for colossus, can't live the 9 turns for Grove to play it

Same again. Changed.

TMD 6 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 2-2
If Jacob drops Bridge, I either do nothing (draw) or drop Deciever and start attacking while he has 1 card in hand. Then, if he drops Tongs, I can't attack anymore. If I Disk, I lose the Deciever and it's a tie.
If he drops Tongs first, I Disk it and lay Deciver, but Bridge keeps it from attacking

I thought deceiver could steal artifacts as well, in which case it'd be a win for you (I think). My bad. Changed.

TMD 7 vs MTGNews 14
Your results: 4-1 TMD
My results: 2-2
Hesitation operates, under current Oracle wordings, like Standstill, so the "Standstill Trick" works. Chimpanzee just plays his Isamaru, lets the Hesitation trigger go on the stack, and responds by Dazing his own Isamaru. The Hesitation will retrigger, then sac to counter the Daze instead of the Isamaru. Then, it's 2/2 vs Factory standoff.

Clever. Forgot about that one. Changed.

TMD 8 vs MTGNews 2
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Lone goes first:
L: Mox/Factory/Realist
A: Pit
L: 20-17
A: Counter 1
L: 20-14
A: Counter 2
L: 20-11
A: Counter 3
L: 20-10 (Does NOT attack with Factory)
A: Casts Pox. In response, L activates Factory. A loses (10/3 = 3.33 round up 4 life) L loses 7 life. (13-6). Creature sacrifices come before Land sacrifices on Pox, so Factory is sac'd as a creature before land needs to be sacrificed. Realist lives. A discards Spirit.
L: 13-5 (realist swing)
A: Spirit returns. Realist cannot swing into untapped Spirit, b/c it will die. However, Realist only needs 5 swings to win, while Spirit needs 7. Thus, Spirit will not swing.

Nope, it's 6-0. When 3 counters are down, A can drop Nether Spirit instead. Attacking would then lose L the game, so A can build up to 3 more counters on his land. He then swings (blocking loses) until the life totals are at 12 for L and 6 for A. He swings once more and then casts pox. This takes 4 life off L and 2 off A, so that the life totals are then 6 and 4 respectively at EOT. The realist swings again taking A to 3, but then the spirit comes back. Swinging again lets him win the race by 1 turn.

TMD 9 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 2-2
My results: 6-0 TMD
Starke can kill Deceiver and Karakas back for the kill, it can kill the Disk and Karakas back for the kill. And it's faster than both. Win for Starke.

Good point - I'd made a miscalculation. I thought you could drop both cards together and then he would destroy the disk. I then thought you could pinch the mercadian bazaar, but it was not to be - reading cards might help next time, especially ones I'm not very familiar with. Changed.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 1
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 6-0 TMD
Factory is a faster clock than Deciever, and cannot be stolen by Deciever. Disk could get rid of Factory, but whenever it hits the table, Serenity will follow, and Factory will remain a land until Serenity goes off.

Again, I forgot that you couldn't steal the factory. Changed.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 2
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 2-2
Serenity has the capability to kill the Mox, but whenever Serenity hits the table, Realist will follow, killing Serenity before it can kill the Mox. Then, it's a creature stalemate.

Fair point. Changed.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Dusk_ goes first:
D: Workshop/Metalworker
BJ: Ruins
D: Smokestack
BJ: Serenity
D: Counter on Smokestack
BJ: Serenity will destroy all artifacts, but Smokestack will force BJ to sac either Ruins or Factory. Then, D will have nothing, but BJ will have no active creatures, creating a draw.

This is one that I wasn't sure about. Surely the serenity trigger goes on the stack below the smokestack trigger (APNAP), so you can then sacrifice the serenity to the stack. The serenity trigger then resolves but wouldn't fizzle because the trigger doesn't say anything about being reliant on the serenity being in play. I think it's 6-0, but this isn't one that I'd missed this time - I'm just giving TMD the benefit of the doubt until someone shows me otherwise .

TMD 12 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 2-2
My results: 0-6 MTG
If Dusk_ goes second:
L: Taiga/Lumberjack
D: Workshop/Metalworker
L: Muse
D: (20-17) Smokestack
L: Swing (20-13)
D: (20-10) Counter on Smokestack
L: Sac Lumberjack, swing (20-7)
D: (20-4) Decline counter on Smokestack, sac Workshop
L: Sac Muse
D: Sac Smokestack, swing with Metalworker for win

I'd seen this mistake, it's changed already. You presumably didn't get my last email?

TMD 12 vs MTGNews 10
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 6-0 TMD
The opponent chooses which creature Preacher takes, so Lumberjack will be stolen, but Muse can win without attacking.

Same as the last one. Way ahead of you here .

TMD 13 vs MTGNews 10
Your results: 0-6 MTG
My results: 2-2
Preacher will be given the Tangle Asp. If the Asp attacks, Vigilante will kill first. If Asp does not attack, neither will Vigilante, so it is a tie.

Whoops. I thought that he would take control of the asp until the vigilante came down and then would pinch that. Of course, he actually just gets the asp back again. Changed.

I don't see why I get 0 points against ImAtHome.

Me: Rushwood Grove, Tangle Asp, Nantuko Vigilante

Him: Treetop Village, Eladamri's Vineyard, Nantuko Vigilante

If I go first:

Me1: Grove, go.
Him1: Treetop, go.
M2: Add a counter to Grove, go.
H2: Play Vineyard, go.
M3: Use Vineyard mana and Grove to play morph, go.
H3: Use Vineyard mana and Treetop to play Morph.
M4: Use Vineyard mana to unmorph Vigilante, killing the Vineyard.

From now on, I can build the Grove to play my Tangle Asp. Either my Vigilante or my Asp will trade with his 2/2 morph, and his Treetop Village is worthless. I would win.

If he goes first:

H1: Treetop, go.
M1: Grove, go.
H2: Vineyard, go.
M2: Use Vineyard mana to play Asp, add a counter to Grove, go.
H3: Use Vineyard mana and Treetop to play morph.
M3: Use Vineyard mana and Grove to play morph.

Now that I have both the morph and the Asp in play, he can't win. I will morph and kill his Vineyard soon, and I'll let Asp trade with his Vigilante. Once Vineyard is gone, his Treetop sits there useless again, so he's just left with the vanilla 2/2 against my Vigilante and Asp.

I should get 6 points here.

Typo that got lost in the results. You're completely correct on this one. Changed.

I think I won both match 9 and 10 :

TMD9 VS MTGNEWS9 : I abuse the new legend rule to kill his Karakas so he can't activate his mishra. Then I drop Starke and proceed to Starkown him. 6-0
TMD9 VS MTGNEWS10 : I abuse the new legend rule to kill his Karakas so he can't play his Preacher. Then I drop Starke and proceed to Starkown him  6-0

Strange. I can remember that pendelhaven is legendary, but not that Karakas is. meh. Changed.

Second and third week of November would be absolutely ideal from where I stand. We'll use the lotus this time - still win, but we can let them dream for the moment.

Tom

[BlueJay]

----------TMD vs MTGNEWS----------
[snip]
9| 6 6 0 0 0 2 6 6 6 6 0 6 2 6 6    58
0| 6 2 6 2 2 2 0 6 2 2 6 6 0 2 2    46
1| 6 6 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 6 0 2 3 6    35
[/snip]

Standings:

1:   Mr Gnome-it-all (MTG) 63
2:   plecorich (TMD) 59
3:   limbo (TMD) 56
4:   Alfred (TMD) 54
5:   wonkey_donkey (TMD) 53
6:   stupid_kid171 (MTG) 52
7:   Machinus (TMD) 50
8:   god_child (MTG) 46
xthexpunisherx (TMD)
10:   Dusk_ (MTG) 45
Morefling (TMD)
12:   BlueJay (TMD) 44
Quilt (MTG)
14:   Pinky (TMD) 42
theorigamist (TMD)
16:   Jacob Orlove (TMD) 41
Ra_69 (MTG)
18:   ImAtHome (MTG) 40
19:   Goblinboy (MTG) 39
20:   Bluemage76 (MTG) 36
21:   Nazdakka (TMD) 35
22:   combo_dude (TMD) 33
Fadeblue (MTG)
24:   Hivemaster (MTG) 31
leviat (TMD)
26:   r_x_666 (MTG) 30
27:   Chimpanzee (MTG) 28
28:   Nibble (TMD) 27
Reedofalethia (MTG)
30:   Lone Warrior (MTG) 7

Don't mean to be nitpicking but if the table is correct doesn't that mean i climb to 8th place and tie with god_child and xthexpunisherx?

[wonkey_donkey]

Don't mean to be nitpicking but if the table is correct doesn't that mean i climb to 8th place and tie with god_child and xthexpunisherx?

Yes, but I didn't get round to changing the lists. I thought that other peoples' lists were probably more useful than mine anyway. I'll fix it at some other stage - if someone wants to post a corrected one then I'll just stick that in instead . [/blatant laziness]

Tom

[Alfred]

I should 6-0 fadeblue's will deck because either he forces the pox and I hardcast the spirit or he loses his one land and is unable to cast his avatar.

Also, someone fix the disparity between the two lists.

[fadeblue]

Alfred - it's a draw because I basically do nothing. If you play Pox, then I discard Force of Will, and play the Cove on my turn to bring out Avatar three turns later.

[CaptainPlanet.dec]

Alfred - it's a draw because I basically do nothing. If you play Pox, then I discard Force of Will, and play the Cove on my turn to bring out Avatar three turns later.

He hardcasts Spirit. You can play Will. It will come back into play. If you instead play Avatar, he Poxes soon after.

[Nibble]

Alfred - it's a draw because I basically do nothing. If you play Pox, then I discard Force of Will, and play the Cove on my turn to bring out Avatar three turns later.

If you do nothing, he has no reason to play the Pox. He plays Spirit. If you let it resolve, you have to drop Cove and wait far too long for Avatar, which will get Poxed away anyway. If you counter with Force, Spirit returns next turn and beats for the win.

Your options basically are:

Play nothing - scenario above plays out
Play Cove - he plays Pox before you can have 5 mana available. If it resolves, you lose your land and he discards Spirit, which is a loss for you. If you Force it, you pitch your win condition and he plays Spirit later to win.

This is, sadly, an 0-6 match for Will.dec. The only one besides Ferropede that I know of, too.


Edit: ::shakes fist:: Beaten.

[Goblinboy]

Did you forget to add the corrections I sent you? I guess they got lost in the email again.

This kind of thing explains the delay in getting the results up   .

Perhaps next time we should do PMs. The email kept cutting out

TMD 8 vs MTGNews 2
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Lone goes first:
L: Mox/Factory/Realist
A: Pit
L: 20-17
A: Counter 1
L: 20-14
A: Counter 2
L: 20-11
A: Counter 3
L: 20-10 (Does NOT attack with Factory)
A: Casts Pox. In response, L activates Factory. A loses (10/3 = 3.33 round up 4 life) L loses 7 life. (13-6). Creature sacrifices come before Land sacrifices on Pox, so Factory is sac'd as a creature before land needs to be sacrificed. Realist lives. A discards Spirit.
L: 13-5 (realist swing)
A: Spirit returns. Realist cannot swing into untapped Spirit, b/c it will die. However, Realist only needs 5 swings to win, while Spirit needs 7. Thus, Spirit will not swing.

Nope, it's 6-0. When 3 counters are down, A can drop Nether Spirit instead. Attacking would then lose L the game, so A can build up to 3 more counters on his land. He then swings (blocking loses) until the life totals are at 12 for L and 6 for A. He swings once more and then casts pox. This takes 4 life off L and 2 off A, so that the life totals are then 6 and 4 respectively at EOT. The realist swings again taking A to 3, but then the spirit comes back. Swinging again lets him win the race by 1 turn.

I still think it's 2-2.
If Lone goes first:
L: Mox/Factory/Realist
A: Pit
L: 20-17
A: Counter 1
L: 20-14
A: Counter 2
L: 20-11
A: Counter 3
L: 20-10 (Does NOT attack with Factory, in case Pox hits)
A: Nether Spirit
L/A: Nothin', A builds up to 3 counters.
Now, if A attacks, L will activate Factory + Block + Pump. Factory will still be alive to sac to Pox if Pox is cast. Thus, A can't do any damage to L without Pox. If Pox is cast, we're in the same situation as before.

TMD 10 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 6-0 TMD
My results: 4-1 TMD
If Dusk_ goes first:
D: Workshop/Metalworker
BJ: Ruins
D: Smokestack
BJ: Serenity
D: Counter on Smokestack
BJ: Serenity will destroy all artifacts, but Smokestack will force BJ to sac either Ruins or Factory. Then, D will have nothing, but BJ will have no active creatures, creating a draw.

This is one that I wasn't sure about. Surely the serenity trigger goes on the stack below the smokestack trigger (APNAP), so you can then sacrifice the serenity to the stack. The serenity trigger then resolves but wouldn't fizzle because the trigger doesn't say anything about being reliant on the serenity being in play. I think it's 6-0, but this isn't one that I'd missed this time - I'm just giving TMD the benefit of the doubt until someone shows me otherwise .

Oh right. The whole APNAP bit I was thinking Serenity would be gone before the Smokestack trigger resolved, but you're correct here.

TMD 12 vs MTGNews 3
Your results: 2-2
My results: 0-6 MTG
If Dusk_ goes second:
L: Taiga/Lumberjack
D: Workshop/Metalworker
L: Muse
D: (20-17) Smokestack
L: Swing (20-13)
D: (20-10) Counter on Smokestack
L: Sac Lumberjack, swing (20-7)
D: (20-4) Decline counter on Smokestack, sac Workshop
L: Sac Muse
D: Sac Smokestack, swing with Metalworker for win

I'd seen this mistake, it's changed already. You presumably didn't get my last email?

Nope. PMs next time, definitely.

Second and third week of November would be absolutely ideal from where I stand. We'll use the lotus this time - still win, but we can let them dream for the moment.

Tom

Youre On!
I dunno about you guys winning, we've got about 35 3CB's worth of experience with a Lotus-Inclusive environment    We'll see how it goes down.  

-Goblinboy

[fadeblue]

Good point guys. I didn't think about hardcasting Spirit. Oh well I knew I should've played my other deck anyway.

[leviat]

Don't feel bad. I did horrible and I thought I would win with good 'ole Akroma