TheManaDrain.com
January 30, 2026, 06:12:51 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Fulcrum Stance  (Read 4539 times)
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« on: October 21, 2004, 03:13:56 am »

Quote
"One common spell that is not a disenchant, protection, damage prevention, or lifegain"


Fulcrum Stance
W
Instant
Choose target creature.
If that creature is white and isn't tapped, you may tap it rather than pay Fulcrum Stance's mana cost.
The creature gets +1/+0 and gains first strike until end of turn.


Current Wording:

Fulcrum Stance
W
Instant
Tap any number of target creatures you control. Creatures that become tapped this way get +1/+1 and gain first strike until end of turn.
Logged
Upinthe
Basic User
**
Posts: 282



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2004, 03:53:33 am »

I like the idea of giving white a combat trick, but this card seems underpowered. You'd almost always want a [card]Guided Strike[/card] over it.

Also, the wording is confusing and I don't think it works. An alternative cost can't be part of what you do after the spell has resolved.
Logged

I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?

"When I saw the announcement of Temple Garden on wizards.com, I knew that I was going to be out of Type 2 for the next two years" - JDizzle
Zelc
Basic User
**
Posts: 118


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2004, 09:11:32 pm »

You could try this wording:

Name
Cost
You may tap a untapped white creature you control rather than pay ~this~'s mana cost.
Target creature gets +1/+0 and gains first strike until end of turn.
If you paid ~this~'s alternate casting cost, ~this~ must target the creature you tapped to pay ~this~'s alternate casting cost.

The biggest problem I see is that I'm not sure if the game rules define what "alternate casting costs" are.  An alternative would be "If you played ~this~ without playing ~this~'s mana cost, ~this~ must target the creature you tapped as a cost to playing ~this~."  However, this means that if for some reason you played this for free (Mind's Desire?), there would be no legal targets for this spell.
Logged

<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what sucks?
<TheXPhial> vaccuums
<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what sucks in a metaphorical sense?
<TheXPhial> black holes
<Guo_Si> Hey, you know what just isn't cool?
<TheXPhial> lava?
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2004, 04:27:31 am »

I tried to find a concise wording that worked, and ended up with this (completely different, and longer) version, which I think has a pretty good flavour to it.
This card is probably more powerful, even though you can't get away without paying the mana cost.
Logged
stolen
Basic User
**
Posts: 202



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2004, 07:53:56 am »

That wording is kinda...long and confusing?  This should do basically the same thing:

Fulcrum Stance
{W}
Enchant Creature
Enchanted creature gains +2/+2 and first strike.
Enchanted creature cannot attack or use any ability that has {T} as part of its activation cost.

The problem is that it loses the flavor.  ~.~
Logged

"ardon me: I was born to speak all mirth and no matter."

~William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2004, 11:36:35 am »

You're right. It's essentially the same thing as Cagemail, isn't it. Sad

How about this one, then?

Fulcrum Stance
1W
Instant
Tap any number of target untapped creatures you control. They get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.
Logged
stolen
Basic User
**
Posts: 202



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2004, 03:50:14 pm »

Yeah, Cagemail...that old thing, that I'll pretend I had been thinking of but actually wasn't.

Anyway, I like the new Fulcrum Stance.  It's interesting, it's flavourful, and it's a whole lot simpler than the other version...
Logged

"ardon me: I was born to speak all mirth and no matter."

~William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Alfred
Basic User
**
Posts: 502


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2004, 07:10:54 pm »

Quote
Fulcrum Stance
W
Enchant Creature
When Fulcrum Stance comes into play, tap enchanted creature.
When enchanted creature becomes untapped, sacrifice Fulcrum Stance.
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2, may block as though it weren't tapped, and has first strike and "You may choose not to untap this creature during your untap step".



Errrr.... This is too complicated methinks.
Logged

Death From Above 1979
The Police
Bowie
The Unicorns
The Doors
Jacob Orlove
Official Time Traveller of TMD
Administrator
Basic User
*****
Posts: 8074


When am I?


View Profile Email
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2004, 06:07:48 pm »

Quote from: Laurie Cheers
You're right. It's essentially the same thing as Cagemail, isn't it. :(

How about this one, then?

Fulcrum Stance
1W
Instant
Tap any number of target untapped creatures you control. They get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.

"any number of target untapped creatures" sounds bad, somehow. Is there a better way to make this target? Should it just be a global effect for all your guys?
Logged

Team Meandeck: O Lord,
Guard my tongue from evil and my lips from speaking guile.
To those who slander me, let me give no heed.
May my soul be humble and forgiving to all.
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2004, 04:14:18 am »

Hmm. Is it the "target untapped" that you object to?
 
Fulcrum Stance
Instant
Tap any number of target creatures you control. Creatures that become tapped this way get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.
Logged
Jacob Orlove
Official Time Traveller of TMD
Administrator
Basic User
*****
Posts: 8074


When am I?


View Profile Email
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2004, 01:33:58 pm »

Yeah, that last version is fine. I do think I'd prefer something like this, though:

Fulcrum Stance
Instant
Tap all creatures you control. Creatures that become tapped this way get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.
Logged

Team Meandeck: O Lord,
Guard my tongue from evil and my lips from speaking guile.
To those who slander me, let me give no heed.
May my soul be humble and forgiving to all.
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2004, 04:25:47 am »

No, I don't want to force the player to tap everything. That weakens the card too much.

Realistically, this card is only going to be useful in blocking - you block, then tap the creature to give it first strike. If it's going to make you tap everything, it seems like it would be way too situational. I'd much prefer to have Smite.

All right, one more try.

Fulcrum Stance
W
Enchant Creature
Play Fulcrum Stance any time you could play an instant.
Enchanted creature has "T: This creature gets +1/+1 and gains first strike until end of turn".
Logged
Malhavoc
Full Members
Basic User
***
Posts: 394


Lich Overlord


View Profile WWW
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2004, 04:48:15 am »

Back to the first mechanic:

Fulcrum Stance
W
Enchant Creature
When Fulcrum Stance comes into play, tap enchanted creature.
When enchanted creature becomes untapped, sacrifice Fulcrum Stance.
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2, may block as though it weren't tapped, and has first strike and "You may choose not to untap this creature during your untap step".


It could be easier to change it like this:

Fulcrum Stance
W
Enchant Creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2, has Defender and first strike.
Logged

Tipo1: Everything about Vintage in Italy.
stolen
Basic User
**
Posts: 202



View Profile
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2004, 06:58:20 am »

My favorite is still this one:

Quote
Fulcrum Stance
Instant
Tap any number of target creatures you control. Creatures that become tapped this way get +1/+0 and gain first strike until end of turn.
Logged

"ardon me: I was born to speak all mirth and no matter."

~William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 11:38:05 am »

Clock.
Logged
Ephraim
Moderator
Basic User
*****
Posts: 2938


The Casual Adept

LordZakath
View Profile
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 11:46:57 am »

Are absolutely certain that this wording works? Do you want all creatures targetted by the spell to get the bonus or only those that weren't tapped to begin with? I think that it might be necessary to word this, "Creatures that become tapped this way..."
Logged

Did you know that Red is the color or art and music and passion? Combine that with Green, the color of nature, spiritualism, and community and you get a hippie commune of drum circles, dreamcatchers, and recreational drug use. Let's see that win a Pro Tour.
Laurie Cheers
Basic User
**
Posts: 250



View Profile
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2004, 03:54:53 am »

Good call.
Logged
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.035 seconds with 20 queries.