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« on: October 27, 2004, 03:48:30 pm »

http://www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/331112.html?page=1#comments
The post about what happened to her.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:1axmjyHF8G4J:www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/+anniesj&hl=en&client=firefox-a
The post in question (run a 'find' on 'Bush', you'll find the entry on there)

Girls posts concieveable threat to prez, someone reports said post, secret service shows up at girls door. Girl now has FBI file on her. Remember kiddies, when your posting on/in public forums, watch what you say.

By the way, I'm not wholly outraged, since technically is it the Secret Service's job to check out people who randomly make threats against the pres. Just keep in mind some random joke you make, could have actual reprecussions.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 04:17:27 pm »

Maybe the SS should have read some of her other posts. Assassinating a world leader requires some mastery of spelling and grammar, I hear.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 06:06:13 pm »

This reminds me- does anyone remember the show The State on MTV?  They did a skit where whenever someone would say "I'm gonna shoot the president" a few guys dressed in black suits ran in and arrested the person and took him away.


Ahh memories of old awesome shows
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 02:49:13 am »

Wouldn't it be wise to wait and see who the President is before you shoot him?
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 07:50:46 pm »

The problem is atm we don't have a president to be assasinated in the first place.  To be President requires, like, being elected.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 10:23:45 am »

Not that "being elected" is the same as "winning the popular vote."
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 12:50:14 pm »

Carl, bitching about the electoral vote system is like crying that you lost a round of magic because you tendrilsed him for 60 life the game you won, and he only did 40 damage to you in the two he won combined. Thems the rules.

If we didn't have an electoral college, campaigns would work ENTIRELY differently, and the results votewise would be very different.


You know the reason the votes were so close (and probably will be) is that Americans lead awesome lives, have freedom and success, and are doing something real close to what is right with all of that, so we're pretty much gonna stay on that course. If things weren't goin good there'd be actually divisive issues.

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This reminds me- does anyone remember the show The State on MTV? They did a skit where whenever someone would say "I'm gonna shoot the president" a few guys dressed in black suits ran in and arrested the person and took him away.


Ahh memories of old awesome shows


You know two of the guys from the state make up half the 'stella' comedy group, and they're coming through northampton on Nov 19. Should be a good/hilarious time.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 05:30:09 pm »

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the reason the votes were so close (and probably will be) is that Americans lead awesome lives, have freedom and success, and are doing something real close to what is right with all of that, so we're pretty much gonna stay on that course. If things weren't goin good there'd be actually divisive issues.


Wow.  I think this is incredibly simplistic.  I'm surprised to hear this from you, Dave.

My problems with the above are that:

1) While as a country we do have a great deal of freedom and success, there are serious inequalities in the distribution of that freedom and success.  Especially economic inequality, whether you consider it as "right" or "wrong", it is detrimental to the economy's long term health.

2) What Americans are doing "right" is completely subjective.  Given that the world opinion (including Americans) is more against the US than ever before, I would say this is a tough claim to make.

3) I can think of numerous divisive issues (stem cell research, protectionism, terrorism policy, social security, the voting system...).  I think the expected high voter turn out, and the fact the population is split rather evenly between the two parties is a sign of greater divisiveness, not less.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2004, 08:02:29 pm »

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the reason the votes were so close (and probably will be) is that Americans lead awesome lives, have freedom and success, and are doing something real close to what is right with all of that, so we're pretty much gonna stay on that course. If things weren't goin good there'd be actually divisive issues.


Wow.  I think this is incredibly simplistic.  I'm surprised to hear this from you, Dave.

My problems with the above are that:

1) While as a country we do have a great deal of freedom and success, there are serious inequalities in the distribution of that freedom and success.  Especially economic inequality, whether you consider it as "right" or "wrong", it is detrimental to the economy's long term health.

2) What Americans are doing "right" is completely subjective.  Given that the world opinion (including Americans) is more against the US than ever before, I would say this is a tough claim to make.

3) I can think of numerous divisive issues (stem cell research, protectionism, terrorism policy, social security, the voting system...).  I think the expected high voter turn out, and the fact the population is split rather evenly between the two parties is a sign of greater divisiveness, not less.


You're jaded.

Social issues:
When you believe 'divisive issues' includes nuances in the placement of research funds or retirement plans, you're jaded. 'Divisive issues' are on the order of slavery, or the right of women to vote. Whether or not scientists do their research on identical cells with one set of DNA or another (this is the difference) is not that sort of issue.

Foreign Policy:
We've got some big issues right now as far as what has happened, but that's past. What will happen in the future isn't changing that much based on who you vote for.

'This is incredibly simplistic etc.'

We're dealing with issues we don't have the ability to understand. I'm not so arrogant as to believe I know whether or not we should have gone to Iraq. I'm not there, I've never been there, and I receive a full spectrum of reports in the media. All I can do is make simple decisions based on what I do know, what I can see.

The subjectivity of right and wrong and 'world opinion'.

We have no standard to apply, there is no gold model. We have no choice but to do what we believe in our hearts is right because we cannot measure right and wrong with a thermometer. We can't measure them by listening to European pundits either.


Economic inequality being detrimental to the economy.

O.K. we don't need to hash this out. We've got capitalism now and socially we're not in a place where enough people think change is in order to show up to the polls. If our society advances to a point where we can move on, maybe we will. But right now the vast majority of americans aren't questioning capitalism.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2004, 08:23:56 pm »

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When you believe 'divisive issues' includes nuances in the placement of research funds or retirement plans, you're jaded. 'Divisive issues' are on the order of slavery, or the right of women to vote. Whether or not scientists do their research on identical cells with one set of DNA or another (this is the difference) is not that sort of issue.

How are abortion and gay rights not divisive issues, then?

I don't really have a problem with anything else you said, because I, like you, only know a very simple version of what's going on.  But those are two pretty important divisive issues.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2004, 11:04:46 pm »

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When you believe 'divisive issues' includes nuances in the placement of research funds or retirement plans, you're jaded. 'Divisive issues' are on the order of slavery, or the right of women to vote. Whether or not scientists do their research on identical cells with one set of DNA or another (this is the difference) is not that sort of issue.

How are abortion and gay rights not divisive issues, then?

I don't really have a problem with anything else you said, because I, like you, only know a very simple version of what's going on.  But those are two pretty important divisive issues.


I suppose when I say 'divisive' that's not exactly what I mean. What I mean is issues that are divisive AND impact peoples lives enough to take them to the polls.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2004, 11:06:29 pm »

This is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too close to political discussion. Closed before the obvious flame war erupts.
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