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Author Topic: Black still a good choice in oath?  (Read 1239 times)
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« on: November 23, 2004, 02:53:18 pm »

I play tested oath the other day and it was having problems, i threw in a will and a demonic tuor for 2 impulses. the deck was running more smooth and was winning more consistent.

4 Oath of Druids
1 Gaea's Blessing
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Spirit of the Night
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
4 Accumulated Knowledge
4 Intuition
2 Misdirection- took out 1*
1 Cunning Wish*
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Mana Leak
2 Impulse-took out these*
4 Brainstorm
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Flooded Strand
4 Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
1 Strip Mine
2 Wasteland
1 Demonic tutor*
1 Yawgmoths will*
1 Underground Sea*

Sideboard:
3 Ground Seal
2 Back to Basics
2 Arcane Laboratory
1 Platinum Angel
1 Pristine Angel
1 Iridescent Angel
1 Energy Flux
2 Control Magic
1 Swords to plowshares*
1 Hurkyl's Recall*


I still noticed a little bit of a problem with the deck. It had no removal like if a collossus or a platinum angel hit the board your screw. I then added a cunning wish for a misdirection and it worked much better than with the bouncing and destroying spells in the side.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 03:18:08 pm »

What does black bring you:
-Demonic Tutor
-Yawgmoth's Will

How good are these:
-Demonic Tutor = awesome
-Yawgmoth's Will = so weak with gaea's blessing

Overall, I don't think you should add black in oath.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 03:38:48 pm »

Ya i screwed up because i forgot how bad yawgmoth's will would be because of gae's blessing, mainly you could swap the yawgmoth's will for a vamp tutor. The cunning wish is still awesome though because there is no removal in maindeck.

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 04:25:55 pm »

i think Duress deserves a couple maindeck slots.

Maybe -1 Cunning Wish, -1 Yawgmoth's Will, +2 Duress.

You could then just fill in the SB slots with Seal of Removal if you're so worried about DC.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 05:41:05 pm »

I think that Yawgmoth's Will is an automatic inclusion in the deck, even WITH the random 1 Gaea's blessing. I can't see how it's bad.

First of all, with 2 creatures, it will generally activate about 1/3rd of the time (I can give you exact percentage, if you wish later). If you do play after Oathing once, you have a LOT of goodies to play for essentially free.

Second of all, it's a huge bomb to play to start winning from. Say all your Oath are dead (vs. whatever). It's an extra win condition.

Third of all, it just doesn't make sense NOT to play it, over another proactive counterspell, which will be essentially #14-15. Even if your Will isn't as broken as most other decks without a previous Oath activation, it can still be HUGE in some cases.

I like duress in this deck, not over YW.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 06:16:59 pm »

This post isnt very elaborate. What decks have you tested against? What does the deck do well against? There isnt enough info. Add more than a decklsit for better feedback.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2004, 12:14:20 am »

If one were going to add black to oath - one would definately not add Ywin.

However, there is still Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Duress that are top of the list that an be added.  If done in moderation, black could be a powerful addition to the deck list, as it adds a very powerful control element, and you to get cards you absolutely need via tutors.
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