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« on: December 01, 2004, 08:55:40 pm »

ok i came up wth this deck idea, allot of things mushed together. Im a long time reader, first time poster. here it is

4 River Boa
4 Standstill
4 Kird Ape
1 Regrowth
4 Brainstorm
4 FOW
1 Mox Monkey
4 Grim lavamancer
3 Daze
4 Cloud of Faeries
3 Null rod
2 Crucible of worlds

1 LOA
4 Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Blue Fetch
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Volcanic Island
2 Taiga
2 Tropical Island

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4 Ground Seal
4 Energy Flux
3 Red Blast
2 Blue Blast
2 Sword of Fire/Ice

It is  take of on fish. I am budjeted keep that in mind please, i just have LOA. I think this deck is interesting the only thing i am worried about is the lack of stifles....what about -4 brainstorm +3 Stifles and 1 Land


lmk what you guys think

Thanks in Advance for Input
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2004, 09:14:00 pm »

This deck is very inefficiant. I will post a zoo deck in the newbie that you can take a look at. Perhaps it will give you some ideas.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2004, 11:01:19 pm »

If this is a take-off on Fish, you should really have some reason for doing it. For example, you should try to make up for Fish's weaknesses. From the look of your post, you have a WTF list except you sacrifice the utility of Spiketail Hatchling for the Beat-Down potential of Kird Ape. Considering Fish and WTF are decks of Utility, I don't really see the point of having Kird ape in the deck, especially since it is weak against Oath, already one of Fish's bad matches. Also, why would you take out the only Draw spell in fish that is unanimously agreed on (Curiosity)? Do you see any specific advantages for running either Brainstorm or Standstill over it?

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2004, 11:06:41 pm »

one thing to keep in mind is card advantage is key. 90% of the time i wouldnt give up brainstorm for stifles.

plus the deck has a neat idea but lacks focus. your trying too much at once. sorry i dont have constructive input.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2004, 11:24:16 pm »

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one thing to keep in mind is card advantage is key. 90% of the time i wouldnt give up brainstorm for stifles


Brainstorm isn't card advantage; it's card quality.  This is a subtle, but important difference.  Most fish-esque decks require both curiosity and standstill in order to out-resource their opponent.  If you want something in the middle of both stifle and brainstorm you may want to try teferi's response.  You'll probably be tapped out too often to use it, but it is a wicked surprise and card advantage in a wasteland heavy environment.
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2004, 02:13:03 am »

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If you want something in the middle of both stifle and brainstorm you may want to try teferi's response. You'll probably be tapped out too often to use it, but it is a wicked surprise and card advantage in a wasteland heavy environment.
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2004, 03:13:11 am »

it's like you took fish's absolute flop over and die to back to basics, and made it die even more so. you might want to try to fit at least a few basic islands in, because otherwise you might find yourself not being able to counter a back to basics and losing. that and wasteland > your deck.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2004, 03:54:25 pm »

@the manabase:

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Mana Sources:
1 LOA
4 Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Blue Fetch
2 Wooded Foothills
3 Volcanic Island
2 Taiga
2 Tropical Island


This looks ugly.  As already mentioned, you roll over and die to non-basic hate.  Try something more like this:

Mana Sources:24
4 Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
4 Tropical Island
4 Volcanic Island
3 Blue Fetch
2 Foothills
1 Island
1 Forest

Changes:
-Basics:  Being able to regen your boa under blood moon/b2b/random non-basic hate is good.
-Removal of Tagia: Because this seems to be here for the Kird Apes anyway, this should go.
-LOA gone?: Yea.  This deck, by virtue of being aggro control should beat control anyway.  LOA does say "I win", but you win anyway against control and you are really not in any position to put in another colorless mana source.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2004, 06:56:01 pm »

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Basics: Being able to regen your boa under blood moon/b2b/random non-basic hate is good.


I think you should run more basic lands. Two is not enough becuase fetchlands are not effective when there's a Blood Moon in play.
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