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Author Topic: 3CB Tournament #46 Results and Discussion (Finally)  (Read 2884 times)
wonkey_donkey
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« on: December 16, 2004, 11:47:41 am »

I’d like to congratulate wonkey_donkey as the winner of 3CB Tournament #46
I’d kind of expected this to 4-1 everything except the occasional metagame tabernacle-based deck. It would appear not.
There were no winners of the mise-prize.


Banned List:
Portal
Unglued
Unhinged
Any deck that can feasibly win on the first turn
Any deck/cards that can make your opponent discard or RFG any number of cards
Any deck that can’t win under it’s own steam (i.e. NO MISE DECKS)
[card]Sphere of Resistance[/card]
[card]Trinisphere[/card]
[card]Null Rod[/card]
[card]Chalice of the Void[/card]
[card]Glowrider[/card]
[card]Time Walk[/card]
[card]Meddling Mage[/card]
[card]Null Chamber[/card]
[card]Leveler[/card]

Entrant - Deck Name - Deck

1. wonkey_donkey - The Great Escape - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Echo Tracer[/card], [card]Force of Will[/card]
2. combo_dude - nothing beats rock - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Anurid Scavenger[/card], [card]Pernicious Deed[/card]
3. CaptainPlanet.dec - StudyHall.dec - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Stern Proctor[/card], [card]Nether Void[/card]
4. fadeblue - Infinity.dec - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Conjurer's Bauble[/card], [card]Spiketail Drake[/card]
5. Tristal - Arcane Lab.dec - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Rule of Law[/card], [card]Brothers Yamazaki[/card]
6. Zelc - Not Broken - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Auriok Salvagers[/card], [card]Rocket Launcher[/card]
7. Leviat - Ewwww, it's all gooey - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Root Maze[/card], [card]Molder Slug[/card]
8. ReAnimator - Witness the Eternally Twisted - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Eternal Witness[/card], [card]Desert Twister[/card]
9. Upinthe - R/G Beats - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Lavaborn Muse[/card], [card]Tempting Wurm[/card]
10. r_x_ - Dubbelform.dec - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Leonin Squire[/card], [card]Form of the Dragon[/card]
11. Alfred - Double-double mocha frapachino - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Aura of Silence[/card], [card]Indentured Djinn[/card]
12. AceOfJacks - (No Name) - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Dark Ritual[/card], [card]Darksteel Colossus[/card]
13. Virtual - Siren - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Titania's Song[/card], [card]Blurred Mongoose[/card]
14. rvs - I hope I go first! - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Titania's Song[/card], [card]Imaginary Pet[/card]
15. walkingdude - piracy - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Aura of Silence[/card], [card]Rishadan Cutpurse[/card]
16. Goblinboy - Squire: off the 1/2 and high on life - [card]Black Lotus[/card], [card]Leonin Squire[/card], [card]Crush of Wurms[/card]

How to read the table:
Match the deck# on the left with the deck # on top. Append a 1 where appropriate. The #s on the right of that deck correspond to how many points that deck received versus the deck on top. (Once again append a 1 where appropriate. The 1's are missing to make the table clearer)

0  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6   Total
1| x 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4     60
2| 1 x 3 3 0 1 6 6 4 0 1 0 3 0 0 6     34
3| 1 3 x 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 6 3 3 3 3     46
4| 1 3 3 x 3 3 3 6 6 6 3 6 3 3 3 6   58
5| 1 6 3 3 x 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3     46
6| 1 4 3 3 3 x 3 6 6 6 0 6 3 1 3 3     51
7| 1 0 3 3 3 3 x 3 1 3 3 6 3 3 3 0     38
8| 1 0 3 0 3 0 3 x 0 2 0 0 1 0 1 0     14
9| 1 1 3 0 3 0 4 6 x 6 3 0 3 3 3 0     36
0| 1 6 3 0 3 0 3 2 0 x 0 6 3 3 0 6     36
1| 1 4 3 3 3 6 3 6 3 6 x 3 3 3 3 3     53
2| 1 6 0 0 3 0 0 6 6 0 3 x 3 3 0 0     31
3| 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 3 x 3 3 3     44
4| 1 6 3 3 3 4 3 6 3 3 3 3 3 x 3 3     50
5| 1 6 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 6 3 6 3 3 x 3     53
6| 1 0 3 0 3 3 6 6 6 0 3 6 3 3 3 x     46

Final Standings:
1:   wonkey_donkey 60
2: fadeblue 58
3:   Alfred 53
   walkingdude
5:   Zelc 51
6:   rvs 50
7:   CaptainPlanet.dec 46
Goblinboy
   Tristal
10:   virtual 44
11:   leviat 38
12:   r_x_36
Upinthe
14: combo_dude 34
15: AceOfJacks 31
16:   ReAnimator 14

Quite an interesting metagame, although if this were to be done again some cards would have to go. Rule of Law, Arcane Lab, Nether Void, Force of Will and the likes would be gone – alternatively, ban lotus, but I’m not sure how good this would be without it. Interesting, nonetheless.

Before I say any more about decks, I’d like to congratulate r_x_ and ReAnimator on a quite stunning feat of a 2-2 draw. No, I couldn’t believe it either. My deck wanted to use Waterspout Elemental (which would have 6-0’d almost everything on here!), but it wasn’t to be, unfortunately. The stacking doesn’t quite work. Anyway, echo tracer seemed to do me quite nicely! I think it was to be expected that my deck got 4-1 against everything, without a single 6-0; everything else was that bit too big.

I liked Tristal’s deck a lot – it showed a great deal of ingenuity, I felt, both in terms of choice of threat and choice of support card. Combo_dude’s deck was also a bit more resourceful than perhaps one would credit it at first glance. Something like CaptainPlanet.dec’s deck was decent but its mediocre showing proved that it’s better to have some sort of escape going second! But a good, solid, serious-timmy-based metagame here.

Sorry for the delay – my workload’s been through the roof these last couple of weeks, with various university interviews, history essays and so forth. Hopefully won’t happen on this scale again.

Please post corrections/discussion

Tom
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2004, 12:05:51 pm »

Ummm... Wonkey, how does your deck beat mine the second game? I think we should draw. You morph tracer (getting two) and leaving you with one black lotus left. When it is my turn, I cast both djinns. You can only bounce one and then I can just block your creatures for the rest of the game. The same goes for imaginary pet.dec. Also, how the heck do you 4-1 the form of the dragon deck? Echo tracers can't bounce form. Crush of Wurms also has too many tokens for you to bounce all of them. I just don't see how your deck 4-1s everything!
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2004, 12:20:02 pm »

Quote from: Alfred
Ummm... Wonkey, how does your deck beat mine the second game? I think we should draw. You morph tracer (getting two) and leaving you with one black lotus left. When it is my turn, I cast both djinns. You can only bounce one and then I can just block your creatures for the rest of the game. The same goes for imaginary pet.dec. Also, how the heck do you 4-1 the form of the dragon deck? Echo tracers can't bounce form. Crush of Wurms also has too many tokens for you to bounce all of them. I just don't see how your deck 4-1s everything!

What I do is morph echo tracer, generating a copy. I then use my remaining lotus to flip the tracer, targetting itself, so I then have a blue card in hand to FoW the lotus from the other player when it's played. I basically end up with FoW and tracer in hand with a creature on the board. As everyone's playing with lotus, it means I can pull that trick off going first whilst drawing playing second.

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2004, 12:32:13 pm »

Ok, I see. Gj then!
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2004, 03:53:14 pm »

wonkey, I think you forgot about my follow-up PM, where I changed my deck to Black Lotus, Conjurer's Bauble, Spiketail Drake (or if you didn't allow that, I changed it to Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Crush of Wurms, similar to Goblinboy's deck).
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2004, 04:21:19 pm »

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wonkey, I think you forgot about my follow-up PM, where I changed my deck to Black Lotus, Conjurer's Bauble, Spiketail Drake (or if you didn't allow that, I changed it to Black Lotus, Treasure Hunter, Crush of Wurms, similar to Goblinboy's deck).

I did indeed. Sorry. I'll change it.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2004, 07:07:59 pm »

I beat # 12 both games...he can only produde 11 mana once, next turn I play Lotus, and Proctor both DSC.

I win 1 and tie 1 with #10, he plays Loti, Squires, plays Form. My turn I Proctor into a Void and return his Form.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2004, 03:08:01 am »

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I beat # 12 both games...he can only produde 11 mana once, next turn I play Lotus, and Proctor both DSC.

I win 1 and tie 1 with #10, he plays Loti, Squires, plays Form. My turn I Proctor into a Void and return his Form.

You do indeed beat the DSC deck, but you don't beat the form deck going second. His squires can still beat down and kill you.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2004, 06:31:30 am »

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Quote from: CaptainPlanet.dec
I beat # 12 both games...he can only produde 11 mana once, next turn I play Lotus, and Proctor both DSC.

I win 1 and tie 1 with #10, he plays Loti, Squires, plays Form. My turn I Proctor into a Void and return his Form.

You do indeed beat the DSC deck, but you don't beat the form deck going second. His squires can still beat down and kill you.

Tom


Thought Squires were 1/2. Oops.

I know I shoulda played Lotus, Proctor, Force of Will. That was unbeatable.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2004, 08:08:33 am »

Me (10) vs fadeblue (4)

3-3 instead of 0-6. I should win when going first. I can shoot those drakes down before they can attack.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2004, 08:14:06 am »

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Me (10) vs fadeblue (4)

3-3 instead of 0-6. I should win when going first. I can shoot those drakes down before they can attack.

He gets infinite drakes, unfortunately for you. Here's the explanation of how it works, straight from the proverbial horse's mouth:

You play Lotus and get a copy. Then you sac the real Lotus to play two Baubles. Sac the real Bauble to dig Lotus and play the Lotus, getting another Lotus copy. Sac the Bauble copy to dig Bauble and play the Bauble (with a copy). Repeat for infinite mana, then start a Spiketail Drake loop. You play the Drake (x2). Play Bauble and sac the real Drake to counter Bauble (but pay the 3). Then sac the real Bauble to dig Drake and play it again, then sac the Bauble copy to bring the Bauble back to your hand. Repeat for infinite Drakes.

So you may shoot down 2 drakes, but it won't do enough for you. They can fly over the form, so you lose both games.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2004, 09:47:33 am »

I didn't take account the infinite Drakes... That chances the thing completely...  :lol:
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2004, 06:39:13 pm »

8. ReAnimator - Witness the Eternally Twisted - Black Lotus, Eternal Witness, Desert Twister

If I do this correctly...wouldn't we draw when he goes first?

He goes Loti, Witness, Loti, sac Lotus (GGG) Witness, Loti, he has 4 Lotus and takes 3.

I play Loti, Proctors, return his Loti, drop my Voids. If he attacks, we both lose our creatures, and visa versa.
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2004, 05:47:55 am »

6. Zelc - Not Broken - Black Lotus, Auriok Salvagers, Rocket Launcher
Isn't this deck illegal? He can win on a first turn.

I would played Lotus, Conjurers Bauble, Tendrills....
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2004, 06:02:35 am »

r_x_666 - that's what I thought too, but read Rocket Launcher again. It has "summoning sickness"

CaptainPlanet - looks like it.  He probably forgot to return the Loti to the Proctors.

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2004, 01:42:04 am »

Oh, so it seems. I never really noticed it...

And around here you can drop those 666, Goblinboy...  Razz
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