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« on: December 29, 2004, 11:59:48 pm »

I'm positive I know the answer to these but people I play with want a second opinion.  If anyone feels so inclined, here are the questions:

1. Does a minor demon token made by [card]Boris Devilboon[/card] work with the Ogres from CHK?

2. Someone plays Eureka, can an opponent put a Control Magic on a Plated Slagwurm that someone else put out?

3. Play a [card]Preacher[/card], Equip it with Lightning Greaves, Take a creature, Move the Greaves onto the Creature, Attack?

4. Undermine a Blurred Mongoose just to make the player who played it lose 3 life?

5. [card]Mijae Djinn[/card] fails the flip to attack after being forced to attack by a [card]Nettling Imp[/card]. Does it die EOT?

6. Someone plays a sorcery during another players turn, and their Vedalken Orrery is disenchanted in response? What happens?

7. A coin flip lands on the floor,  does it count?
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I know this won't happen in a tournament, but if my opponent has Chaos Orb in his hand while I'm controlling his turn from a Mindslaver, who flips the card if I force him to play it and activate it?

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2004, 12:15:51 am »

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1. Does a minor demon token made by [card]Boris Devilboon[/card] work with the Ogres from CHK?

Yes. It has types "minor" and "demon".

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2. Someone plays Eureka, can an opponent put a Control Magic on a Plated Slagwurm that someone else put out?

Yes.

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3. Play a [card]Preacher[/card], Equip it with Lightning Greaves, Take a creature, Move the Greaves onto the Creature, Attack?

What's the question? This is legal.

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4. Undermine a Blurred Mongoose just to make the player who played it lose 3 life?

What's the question? This is legal.

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5. [card]Mijae Djinn[/card] fails the flip to attack after being forced to attack by a [card]Nettling Imp[/card]. Does it die EOT?

Yes.

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6. Someone plays a sorcery during another players turn, and their Vedalken Orrery is disenchanted in response? What happens?

You resolve the cards on the stack normally.

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7. A coin flip lands on the floor,  does it count?

Not touching that one.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2004, 12:22:22 am »

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7. A coin flip lands on the floor,  does it count?


I'm not sure about official rulings on this, however I know it's a players courtesy to only counts flips that land on the table, where both players may see it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2004, 12:27:55 pm »

1. Omg, that means Unnatural Selection can turn creatures into Minors. Hilarity ensues.

2. For clarification, local enchantments only target while they are being "played," i.e., cast. Putting something directly into play is not playing (casting) the spell, so it doesn't target. Similarly, Crown of the Ages would also work.

3. Preacher only needs to stay tapped to retain control of the creature. It doesn't have to not have summoning sickness.

4. You follow as much of the directions as possible. You try to counter the spell, and that fails, then you try to make them lose 3 life, and that works. If the life loss was dependent on the Undermine actually countering the spell it would have been worded "Counter target spell. If that spell is countered in this way, that spell's controller loses 3 life."

5. I'm not so sure you're right, Jacob. The Imp says "At end of turn, if that creature didn't attack this turn, destroy it." But the Djinn did attack - was declared as an attacker - it was just removed from combat thereafter (Oracle wording is different from the card). It's like if you attacked with a Goblin Cadets and Marton Stromgald, and the Cadets was blocked - it still gets the Marton bonus, preventing it from...dying to Tremor, I suppose.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2004, 02:46:48 pm »

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3. Play a [card]Preacher[/card], Equip it with Lightning Greaves, Take a creature, Move the Greaves onto the Creature, Attack?

What's the question? This is legal.


I got the feeling the confusion was from the fact that Preacher targets, but Greaves makes the creature untargetable. Might just be me, though. In any case, it works.

As for Mijae Djinn, I think Matt's got it. By Oracle wording, it still succesfully attacks even if you lose the flip - it seems to be a triggered ability that triggers when it becomes an attacker, rather than a replacement ability that can prevent it from attacking.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2004, 03:50:28 pm »

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Oct 4, 2004 - If the Djinn attacks, but you lose the coin toss, then it is still considered to have attacked, and any other abilities that trigger on it attacking will resolve normally.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2004, 10:15:34 pm »

That's what I get for not looking up the oracle wording on everything. Ignore that part of my answer.
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