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Author Topic: Gift's Ungiven - the new Bomb  (Read 1946 times)
Morphling
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« on: January 25, 2005, 03:22:48 pm »

Hi all first,

I think it's time to talk about Combo a bit. But not of old boring decks like Dragon or Draw7-TPS, no, about a new amazing deck, which is based on a new card, "Gift's Ungiven". Here is the list of the Winner of the Venice 16.01.05 tourney:

1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
1 Necropotence
2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Brainstorm
2 Cunning Wish
1 Deep Analisys
1 Echoing Truth
1 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will
2 Gifts Ungiven
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rebuild
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister

1 Flooded Strand
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Underground Sea

 Sideboard:

1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Brain Freeze
1 Daze
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Gilded Drake
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Misdirection
1 Night of the Souls' Betrayal
1 Plagarize
1 Rebuild
1 Rushing River
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Stifle
2 Tormod's Crypt

You will see, it's amazing when u play Gifts on Lotus Ritual Ritual Crypt and Tutor on Y. Win. A bit of heaven  Twisted Evil

But what can you make better or u know a good card which is good  for this deck. Or a broken sideboard card? I will thank you for each single idea or critic.

MfG Morphling
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 04:14:31 pm »

This is just a decklist. Moved to newbie.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2005, 04:31:55 pm »

This really is nothing innovative - as this has been talked to death in the TPS (evolution) threads.

Now, in play testing I have found it extremely meh, and most often then naught I would have rathered a different spell for the cost of the card (foremost on the list would be FoF).  Now don't get me wrong - I do see the advantages of this card, and it could possibly be a bomb in the right deck.  But personally (based on opinion, playtesting, and seeing it ran) it just does not have the impact that one would like for the deck.

Its also just one of those cards (based on the casting cost not the effect) that just says: Hi, would you like to Drain me? I thought so....
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2005, 04:43:37 pm »

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Its also just one of those cards (based on the casting cost not the effect) that just says: Hi, would you like to Drain me? I thought so....

You are reading the card wrong.  It says "Even if you try to drain me when I play it end of turn, then I will win next turn."  The reasoning is that you play it end-of-turn.  If they counter it, then follow it up with a bomb on your main phase after you untap.  If they do not counter it, then you tutored for two good cards along with two more good cards that you can use when you cast Yawgmoth's Will netting you card advantage.  The main goal of a Gift's deck is to  setup the Will for the win.

As mentioned before, I don't think that there is a response to the first post as it is only a decklist (one that has been shown in several other threads).
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 04:51:46 pm »

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Its also just one of those cards (based on the casting cost not the effect) that just says: Hi, would you like to Drain me? I thought so....

You are reading the card wrong.  It says "Even if you try to drain me when I play it end of turn, then I will win next turn."  The reasoning is that you play it end-of-turn.  If they counter it, then follow it up with a bomb on your main phase after you untap.  If they do not counter it, then you tutored for two good cards along with two more good cards that you can use when you cast Yawgmoth's Will netting you card advantage.  The main goal of a Gift's deck is to  setup the Will for the win.

As mentioned before, I don't think that there is a response to the first post as it is only a decklist (one that has been shown in several other threads).


Oh no I got this - I do see the advantage.  My problem with it is the clunky(ness) of the card in general.  It is just one of those cards that I feel cannot be thrown into decks like it was into TPS (I have been playing TPS for a fair bit of time now, and I have made a many changes to the base list myself - I just never felt this was a healthy change).

As said the card is a bomb - in the right deck.  Simply put - I feel TPS is not that deck though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2005, 08:17:39 am »

I include a single Gifts Ungiven in my Welder-Slaver deck. It's really good for setting up a lock. I'm currently considering adding a second one.

Example: I Gifts for Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, Mindslaver and Cranial Extraction versus your Tendrils deck. What do you give me?

I don't think it's that good in TPS, but there a lot of decks out there that could benefit from Gifts. It's a cross between Intuition and Fact or Fiction. What's not to love?

It's nice to see Gifts being used. Now, if only there was a way to get Golden Wish some play...
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2005, 08:41:26 am »

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You will see, it's amazing when u play Gifts on Lotus Ritual Ritual Crypt and Tutor on Y. Win.

Hmmm... I´m not sure if I understand. What do you Gift for? Lotus, Ritual, Ritual, Crypt? I suppose I misunderstand your phrase

Because if I do understand the sentence, then maybe you should read the card again
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2005, 03:12:24 pm »

i have been using gifts in a u/g madness deck and it just tears stuff up.  it gets me a discard engine when needed or counter when needed. it just rocks in there.  if early game i go for mongrel, aquameaba(?), worldly tutor, or wonder/mask of memory.  then i get the tutor mask/wonder....then procede to just win....it's really good for me but i can really speak on many other decks.
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