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Please don't ask for now where I got the idea from. I want a weenie that should be not bigger than 2/2 that can't be killed by any damage other than combat damage. Destroy-, bury or remove effects should be able to kill it as well as regular combat damage. I don't care for the colour but I guess white is the most appropriate.
Sprul
WW
Creature - Soldier
Any non-combat damage dealt to ~this~ is reduced to zero.
2/2
I would like him to be splashable, but if it would cost 1W itwould be too good I guess.
Current Version
Sprul advance Guard
1W
Creature -- Soldier
Prevent all non-combat damage that would be dealt to Sprul.
2/2
Champions of the Goddess, the Spruls enjoyed divine protection from all perils but battle, wherein they could die as gloriously as they lived.
CHANGES
* Wording rephrased (Nibble)
* Casting cost dropped to 1W (Puschkin)
* Flavour text changed (Ephraim)
* Name extension (Puschkin)
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 07:45:25 pm » |
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I think the best wording would be "Prevent all non-combat damage that would be dealt to ~this~", as in [card]Dawn Elemental[/card].
I really like the idea, though. Seems comparable to Silver Knight, as pro-red makes him immune to the majority of non-combat damage, but he has first strike too... Silver Knight is probably a little stronger overall, but I still like this card as an alternative or possibly complement to it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 10:49:43 pm » |
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Hey, Puschkin is back! We have to start misspelling his name on purpose again.  Given the fact that white gets small flyers with white abilities, you could probably give it flying and it would still not be broken. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2005, 11:03:58 pm » |
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Giving it flying would demand either an increase in cost or a decrease in P/T. Compare to Leonin Skyhunter (2/2 Vanilla Flying for WW). Giving it First Strike would be hot though, making it that much harder to kill. That may or may not require the aforementioned revisions and, if it does, it isn't worth it, but I think you can get away with it. As Nimble previously stated, compare it to Silver Knight. Since Red is the only color that could reliably deal it damage outside of combat, it is very similar, so giving it FS would probably be okay.
EDIT: Also, what the hell is a Sprul?
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 08:38:38 am » |
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I definitely agree with first strike, that is a sexy combination of abilities. One to make it hard to kill out of combat, one to make it hard to kill in combat  |
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2005, 09:18:53 am » |
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My design sense likes this card. It's interesting, well costed, etc. My play sense is wary, though. There is a constant lament about how white doesn't need another 2/2 for two mana and this is more of the same. Could you make it a 3/3 for four mana or a 1/1, first strike, combat-damage-only for one mana (it would be a good creature, I think, but probably not broken.)
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2005, 08:55:39 pm » |
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Well, I don't want it to be any bigger than 2/2. I am also not settled on First Strike. May sound strange to you but this should not be really good in combat (against other creatures, that is). What about dropping the casting cost to 1W then? No first strike but it is splashable then. This would also remedy the fact that "white doesn't need another 2/2 weenie" problem. And as I told in the initial post, it doesn't have to be white to begin with, it could be any colour, but I thought you will stick on your colour pie so much you would accept ony white (I am stil used to see Uncle Istvans and Ogre Enforcers in action so I would not even mind if it was black or red  ) |
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 02:13:45 pm » |
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No opinions on that? Okay, I changed it to casting cost 1W, its splashable now. Strictly better than Grizzly Bear but that is the norm nowadays, right?
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2005, 03:05:27 pm » |
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You have to either give a compelling and heartbreaking explanation of the name, or find a new one.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2005, 05:24:26 am » |
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Why? We are living in the age of "Graxiplon" and "Snorting Undorak".
I have a good explanation for the name and to some of you it may be heartbreaking ^^ But I don't know if I should give that away now since I plan to make more cards basing on it. First, give me a a compelling or heartbreaking explanation why "Avarax" is okay as a name for a creature but "Sprul" isn't. you can change the creature type to "beast" or anything you want, I don't care.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 11:29:35 am » |
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That's exactly the reason why they can have crazy names, because every creature you mentioned are Beasts. Soldiers are organized, developed beings, whereas you can just make up a new beast. If you want to keep this a white 2/2 Sprul, I suggest the creature type Hound, though I'd still like to know WTF a Sprul is.
For the record, while some of the made-up beasts have cool names, I agree that a good number of them suck, with Gurzigost quite possibly being the worst offender.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 01:57:57 pm » |
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Firstly, we need to be sure it isn't like Danish for "cockmonger" or something. Secondly, the stuff WalkingSponge said. Third, I personally dislike the Graxiplon-names too.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2005, 03:54:52 pm » |
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Gurzigost sucks? Its one of the best of the bunch. That "drawback" is actually something very handsome. Forgive me, I am a casual player ---
"Sprul" doesn't exist in any language and if it does it would be pure coincidence. This name, as well as the others that I plan to make up, are made up, afaik with a random name generator. If I can't take those names, the series will be abandoned. Since you seem to be so picky and conservative about the names, I should maybe post them in advance here. If you can't live with them, I'll bury the idea.
Sprul
Dega
Wrot
Nomic
Visvo
Zengal
Aspor
Osrem
Merger
Dexon
Trior
Osrem
Perior
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2005, 04:25:19 pm » |
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Some of them look like they'd be all right in combination with a "real" word but none of them are okay alone.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2005, 04:40:30 pm » |
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I dunno, Solaron sounds like a cool artifact to me. Most of the rest are fine provided they get some sort of title afterwards. Compare them to Konda, Lord of the Unspellable-whatsit.
Konda alone is a nono, but add a little more description and it's fine.
EDIT: Just noticed Merger. That's a real word in English which kinda clashes with all the other randomly generated things.
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2005, 05:23:51 pm » |
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Nomic is actually a game about rules creation, merger is, as stated, a real word, and Solaron is very close to solarion.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2005, 05:24:03 pm » |
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For that matter, Dega has been used on cards in Apocalypse.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2005, 06:23:26 pm » |
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I agree that Dega, Solaron, and Merger shouldn't be used, but the rest are fine in combination with other things, or as place/race names such a Mogg, Skirk, Vedalken, Daru, etc., etc. They could also be used as Legends or have creature types that imply that they are made up creations, particularly feral animals.
Also, I meant that Gurzigost has the worst name. As far as playability, it is certainly better than Titanic Bulvox or Skittish Valesk.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2005, 08:44:05 pm » |
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Okay then. Dega, Merger and Solaron are the ones that I want to create the least anyway ... you gave me a reason to not include them So I'll just paste a fancy/flashy title to the name to make you happy. This one ... Repellend Sprul Absorbing Sprul Sprul Sentinel Sprul advance Guard And nobody commented on the fact that I dropped the casting cost to 1W, is that okay? |
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2005, 11:13:17 pm » |
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Yes, it's okay that you dropped the mana cost to  {W}. I think you ought to tie down this card's flavour with some solid flavour text. Maybe use something like: Champions of the Goddess, the Spruli enjoyed divine protection from all perils but battle, wherein they could die as gloriously as they lived. |
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2005, 06:41:34 am » |
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That's some awesome flavor text.
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2005, 10:22:45 am » |
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Yeah, the flavour text is good, although I'd prefer if the plural of Sprul was "Spruls". And what do you think about my name suggestions? Sprul adbance guard would fit the flavour text very well: An advance guard is not there to fight, it is for reconissence (spelling?) and dodges missles and such, if the opponent catches them, they fight to the death and die in glory because they sacrifized themselves for the army, when they can get past the enemy's lines, they can do some damage.
I'll take the flavour text and "Spul advance Guard" as the name.
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2005, 11:08:30 am » |
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Maybe you could connect it more firmly with its patron goddess -- call it "Sprul Templar" or "Sprul Hero." Also, just linguistically speaking, "Spruls" sounds much sillier to me than "Spruli." (although I'm among those who doesn't like Sprul to begin with, so I'm just trying to soften the blow.)
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2005, 11:48:17 am » |
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I don't particularly like "Sprul" either, but I disagree with your take on the plural form - "Spruls" is more natural. The "-i" ending only works (for the most part) with an "-us" ending as in Latin.
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2005, 02:40:54 pm » |
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The correct plural of "sprul" sounds to me like it should be "sprul," as in "the sprul enjoyed divine protection..."
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