How many cards will get Restricted

[Triple_S]

Just a simple poll:  How many cards will get announced for restriction on March 1st?  We have already had a wealth of discussion on what should and shouldn't get restricted so I'm more looking for your guess on the raw number of cards to be hit.

[Hyperion]

I think they will realize that while lots of people want something done, there is really little consensus on the issue overall, and that the best course of action is to do nothing this time around.

[Smmenen]

I agree but for different reasons.  None of the complaints about the format are based upon dominance.  Most are based upon claims of a lack of interaction.  As a result, when they look at the growing variety of archetypes doing well and healthy metagame, I don't think they'd give the interaction arguments too much weight becuase of the risks of doing more harm than good.

[Zherbus]

Keep in mind they don't actually want people playing Type 1 as much as extended, standard, block, and of course limited. If they want people to get sick of this format and play a format that sells packs, then why wouldn't they be fine with that?

[BWM]

I think they're too lazy to restrict something...

If they would, they'd restrict a lot at once...

[Godot]

I think the wisest move right now is not to restrict anything, and considering their recent track record of actually making good decisions Im confident thats what they'll do.

[Machinus]

I doubt they will make any changes (besides possibly giving us voltaic key), but I think it is possible they could hit perhaps one of the shop cards.

[Dr. Sylvan]

I have no idea. So many people have said so much pulling in so many different directions for so long that I can only conclude that they must think we are a pack of total crazies.

[Zherbus]

I have no idea. So many people have said so much pulling in so many different directions for so long that I can only conclude that they must think we are a pack of total crazies.

That's very true. Which is why next round of restrictions will be handled very differently at this site. This time around was a clusterfuck and convinced me that certain people need knuckles broken so they can no longer type.

[virtual]

That's very true. Which is why next round of restrictions will be handled very differently at this site. This time around was a clusterfuck and convinced me that certain people need knuckles broken so they can no longer type.

I'm certain I might be in that "certain people" group.  

That being said, I've found the amass of restriction threads at least amusing.  Noting Elric's "The superiority of team message boards thread", at least these restriction topics brought some discussion/lifeblood to the vintage, community, and open vintage forums that got people involved.  The few weeks before that, the site seemed to have stagnated a bit, besides excitement after the big tournaments about tendrils sx.

[Zherbus]

I don't know if you are, since it's become so PAINFUL to read these restriction threads, the the posts seem to weld to each other in one big string of vomit. Literally, the discussion is more 'OMG, I'm typing on the internet!!!! Let ANY random thought that enters my head pass directly to my post!' than 'Hey, I have an honest to goodness solution to how people feel about Vintage, so here's my proposal.'

My solution is to make anyone who wants their opinion heard collect their thoughts write a well-thought out, article-style post on the subject. Since writing an article forces you to play devil's advocate with yourself, it'll weed out some of the nonsense. Also, people responding to some of the just-plain-bad may mean well, but it starts turning an already degrading signal into pure static.

It's really fucking annoying.

[Komatteru]

I say they do nothing.  Have we forgotten that they have announced that something will be banned in T2, and it is more likely than not that they have been dedicating care and thought into that matter?  To most of the Magic world, T2 is much more important Vintage.  It would be better to do nothing instead of doing something hastily and making a mess of things.

Also, I think we've all noted that Wizards does not read TMD, so any discussion we've had here has been just for us.

[rozetta]

I think the wisest move right now is not to restrict anything, and considering their recent track record of actually making good decisions Im confident thats what they'll do.

[dandan]

I think that may well read TMD and despite the Chicken Little attitudes of some, it should be clear that there is no clear 'solution' to Vinatge and may very well not even be a problem (depending on your point of view of what Vinatge should be). They have got a very good track record of getting B&R changes correct (at least over the last 2 years or so) and I expect no dramatic changes (I suspect 1 card will be unrestricted with Voltaic Key being the favourite).

I have to disagree with Zherbus about the discussion about restriction/banning. Lively discussion is a healthy thing, you have to expect the occasion extreme point of view but the subsequent discussion often shows the suggestion for what it is. It might be an idea to 'tidy up' B&R posts into a B&R forum so we do not have multiple threads about the same thing. IMHO the B&R threads this time around have made interesting reading and indeed have shown just how complex the issue is. I just hope the reaction to the B&R announcement threads do not degenerate into the Berserk threads of old.

[Methuselahn]

They may restrict Trinisphere based on it's power.  If they do anything else it would be due to hype.  Thankfully they don't make judgements based on our quarterly hype.

[Grand Inquisitor]

No offense Z, but I'm with Dandan.  The restriction and more theoretical threads have been the only things I can find with above average posting and a continuous dialogue.  They also seem to be most effective at drawing upper-tier members.

As far as restrictions, I anticipate little to no action.  Like everyone's said, the format is pretty diverse, and interactive (if people actually knew what interactive meant), so I can't see them pulling any plugs.

[rozetta]

There _have_ been a lot of B/R discussions started recently and a lot of non-B/R threads have degenerated into B/R arguements. I agree that there have been many valid points raised and there has been some good discussion recently (unlike the 1 year ago crying about Workshop when sui players couldn't get over it), but it's pretty obvious that people are going to stick to their opinions no matter how good an arguement is made by someone else. This then gets boring since you can predict what will be in certain posts before even reading them. It's also pretty scary to me to even imagine the DCI reading some ot these threads, since they could make very uninformed decisions based on a certain group being more vocal in the thread they happen to read (the vocal majority can vary from thread to thread).

The quarterly whining buildup to the B/R announcement day is starting to make even pre-Christmas hype look small. I mean seriously, these things seem to be starting earlier and earlier every time - it won't be long before we're starting to talk about the one-after-next B/R announcement, since 3 months isn't long enough to hash everything out.

I think the forum for B/R issues is not a bad idea at all. At the very least, if people want to keep a running dialog on restriction topics and data, it would be a convenient place to do it. It could also be used for dicsussions on testing of decks based on the unrestriction of cards (like what was once done for the design of decks based on a theoretical unrestriction of Channel).

[Matt]

I don't see why we need another forum for that. We have one, it's called the closed Vintage forum.

Don't give me those dirty looks, it's not like it's being used for anything else.

[Rico Suave]

I voted 0.  I think it's more likely we'll see things unrestricted before more things get put on the list.  Whatever the case, people will always bitch and moan about the environment.  I'm sure that the DCI will be able to see through that yet again, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something go.