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« on: March 31, 2005, 02:42:57 am » |
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This card is a splash between Elvish piper and Sneak attack. It seems a little strong but balanced.
War Coordinator
(1)GR
Creature-Human Warrior
0/2
Haste
(T): Put a creature card from your hand into play. That creature gains haste.
At the End of Turn, if War Coordinator is in play, sacrifice all creatures you control.
The tides of war hold secrets behind the blood
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 02:43:43 am » |
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Current Wording
War Coordinator
(1)GR
Creature-Human Warrior
0/2
Haste
At the End of Turn, if War Coordinator is in play, sacrifice all creatures you control.
(T): Put a creature card from your hand into play. That creature gains haste.
The tides of war hold secrets behind the blood
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 10:21:20 am » |
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Well, in limited this is terrible of course. A one use sneak attack? I don't know if this is good in other formats.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 10:40:37 am » |
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Should the sacrifice line be above the  line? This way, people don't get confused about the sacrficing being a part of the tap effect ... |
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 01:15:01 pm » |
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This isnt a one time sneak attack. On the surface sure thats what it looks like but what if you get rid of the War Coordinator before end of turn? Then your left with a 3 cost darksteel colossus with haste.(Example). Yes in Limited this isnt the "Im going to win card" that Kumano is but not all cards are made for limited.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 02:04:08 pm » |
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Why is this white and green? Those colors don't get haste, and they don't get temporary abilities like this. This card is 100% red.
Also, why does this have haste? Without haste, this is an interesting creature. With it, it's a disguised sorcery.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 02:38:22 pm » |
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Umm are you feeling alright there jacob....
This card is red and green not white at all. And the green is on there for the put a creature into play clause. Red for haste and sacrifice.
Second without haste this guy just sacrifices himself at end of turn and is a 0/2 for 3 that doesnt even last a full turn. Seems bad lol.
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2005, 03:02:37 pm » |
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Umm are you feeling alright there jacob....
This card is red and green not white at all. And the green is on there for the put a creature into play clause. Red for haste and sacrifice.
Second without haste this guy just sacrifices himself at end of turn and is a 0/2 for 3 that doesnt even last a full turn. Seems bad lol.
Its ok it happens to the best of us lol. Take 2 of these and call me in the morning. Don't take those pills! They're not what you think they are! Anyway ... I think you should make the casting cost <G><R><R> ... Why? Because it should be just a little bit harder to cast ... Increasing the mana cost doesn't like the right thing to do, but making it more colored seems a little better. What do you think? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2005, 03:08:01 pm » |
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well Kiki, Jiki is 2RRR with hast and you don't sacrifice. Getting RRR is hard enough, but getting RRG is really hard. Also, Elvish Piper costs 3G and G to activate without haste and no drawback. Just something to think about.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2005, 03:14:26 pm » |
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Im getting mixed replies as to casting cost. I could just make this (1)RR or GRR or leave it as is or (3)R. Personally i think (1)GR or (1)RR is the best route. maybe if i leave it as is i can add an additional point into toughness. If i go the 1RR route then ill leave it at 0/2 or maybe 1/1. What do you guys think?>
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2005, 03:19:55 pm » |
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Well i think that making it nearly elvish piper cept for 1RG and a g, T: activation is fair still. You are lowering the cost, but making it harder to splash. If that still seems unfair, maybe change it to a 0/1 or add a clause that makes it vulnerable like "Whenever this is targetted by a spell or ability, sacrifice it at end of turn."
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2005, 03:41:04 pm » |
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Oops, I misread the casting cost as G/W rather than G/R. This is still a Through the Break/Sneak Attack effect, not an Elvish Piper one, though.
My point wiht haste was that in its current form, this is just a three mana through the breach with some potential to keep the creature around. If that's the card you want to make, it shouldn't be a creature to begin with. If you want this to be a creature, then it needs to lose haste and the abilities need to change a bit.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2005, 04:11:45 pm » |
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Ok well lets try some face lift experiments then
War Coordinator
(1)RR
Creature- Human Warrior
0/1
At the end of turn if War Coordinator has 3 or more War counters on it sacrifice all creatures you control.
(T):Put a war counter on War Coordinator and put a creature card from your hand into play. That creature gains haste. Sacrifice that creature at end of turn.
That hold the same flavor but is more sneak attack oriented. Maybe too close to sneak attack though.
Another idea would be
War Coordinator
2RR
Creature- Human Warrior
1/2
At the beginning of your upkeep sacrifice a creature for each War counter on War Coordinator.
Sacrifice 2 lands: Remove a War counter from War coordinator.
(T):Put a War counter on War Cordinator and put a creature card from your hand into play. That creature gains haste.
This is approaching him form a different standpoint and seems more similar to Elvish Piper but that doesnt mean he cant exist. O well who else has any ideas.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2005, 03:10:46 am » |
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I think the 2nd is a little too complex and cluttered, adding and removing counters and so on. It's the card that lost focus because it was looking for too much internal tension and synergy. The first one might work with some tweaks. It's really hard to make this feel like a creature, though. You get to use it twice for no penalty then you get a 0/1 chumpblocker. It's a flashback spell with the tiniest body available  Maybe the problem is the 0/1. At 1/1 at least it can do something short of being a 2 charge sneak attack. Perhaps you could just simplify it to something like this: 2RR 1/1 cost, tap: sneak attack a creature Where the cost would probably be R. It definitely compares to Elvish Piper, and the delay + once per turn could help it differentiate from Sneak attack which it is still very similar to. At least it can now attack if you have nothing to sneak, making it feel like a creature with an ability rather than an ability with the type Creature. Maybe we don't need all the abilities and drawbacks working intricately to shape the card  |
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2005, 01:14:33 pm » |
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I was thinking of exactly the same card as you posted i just figured it was too closely related to a piper. Granted with this guy u get haste but with piper you get longevity.(Probably butchered that spelling). I dont mind that wording. What does everyone else think?
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2005, 01:49:16 pm » |
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I kind of like the recent suggestion of a Sneak Attack creature. As far as the original concept goes, could you clarify the flavour. With Sneak Attack, the reason why the creature you sneaked gets sacrificed fits -- you hired the creature for one surprise attack and then it's gone. I don't understand why the original idea made you sacrifice all of your creatures.
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2005, 03:13:31 pm » |
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All of the flavor found from this card is suppose to revolve around war. As the flavor text suggests aurprises or secrets come up often in war. The first of those would be a creature coming out of no where for an attack similar to your sneak attack reference. The the sacrifice all creatures clause would be the second surprise where the war coordinator mis-calculated and left his men fighting for too long where they inevitable died. Obviously the new version of the card has different flavor to it that does not fit that flavor but that was the original idea behind the card.
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