[Report & Results] - Turin - 24/04/05 - T1Tog Wins AGAIN!

[MaxxMatt]

Hi all.
I'm here to post for my friends the last results at our local weekly league.


Last week ( Piacenza 14/04/05 ) Atog placed 1st and 2nd ( played respectively by Filippo Grigatti and Lorenzo Fedeli AGAIN ( as usual? ) among the winners )

This week, a bit more random field ( Random =! Scrub-Like ) proposed a bit more different Top8 but Lorenzo Fedeli and his Atog's deck as winner AGAIN!


Results after the last swiss round

1 Albert Natta 19 (NatStacker)
2 Mennella Alessandro 18 (TPS UBr)
3 Fedeli Lorenzo 17 (T1T)
4 Garella Andrea 17 (C-Slaver)
5 Palumbo Rocco 18 (Fish UR)*
6 Filippini Alessandro 16 (Madness RG)
7 Mallamaci Giacomo Alberto 16 (M&M's)
8 Genovese Jonathan 15 (TPS UB)

9 Bollino Andrea 15 (Fish UR)*
10 Ellena Marco 15 (SexiControl) <----My deck!!! WHOA!!!
11 Bernini Daniel 15 (MonoBlue)
12 Zarà Walter 15 (C-Slaver)
13 Scarafia Alessandro 15 (Fish UR)*
14 Airaudo Michele 15 (PentaStax)
15 Gentili Marcello 15 (MonoRed)*
16 Bindi Marco 15 (Landstill UWR)
17 Ferloni Claudio 15 (Madness URG)
18 Ravenna Flavio 13 (T1T)
19 Spinelli Sebastiano 13 (Landstill UWR)
20 Morelli Marcello 12 (T1T)
21 Cristiglio Pier 12 (Fish UR)*
22 Margaglia Fabio 12 (Madness URG)*
23 Biasio Stefano 12 (Kiodo UR)
24 Cirillo Emilio 12 (Drago BGR)*
25 Peretto Marco 12 (Welder Mud)
26 Contadin Dario 12 (T1T)
27 Capelli Simone 12 (Fish UR)*
28 Morriello Renato 12 (Landstill UWR)
29 Benvenuti Danilo 12 (Trasmute)
30 Amodeo Armando 12 (Stacker)
31 De Micheli Giuseppe 12 (Food Chain)*
32 Candela Stefano 12 (Fish UWR)*
33 Reale Enrico 12 (Welder Mud)
34 Betti Frida 12 (Madness RG)*
35 Garofalo Massimiliano 12 (T1T)
36 Bruno Christian 10 (Zoo)*
37 Marotta Marco 10 (Ws Slavery)
38 Beduzzi David 9 (Welder Mud)
39 Andreolli Eros 9 (Weenie)*
40 Fugallo Alessandro 9 (T1T)
41 Perrone Maurizio 9 (Fish UR)*
42 Fasciolo Diego 9 (Ws Slavery)
43 Navone Alessandro 9 (Oath UBGW)*
44 Zubiani Daniele 9 (Vial Fish)*
45 Alfonsi Davide 9 (Ws Slavery)
46 Galliani Fabrizio 9 (C-Slaver)
47 Perati Muhamet 9 (MonoBlack)*
48 Procaccianti Manuel 9 (TPS UB)
49 Di Domenico Ivan 9 (Fish UR)*
50 Morina Fabrizio 9 (TPS UB)
51 Fenoglio Maurizio 9 (Weenie)*
52 De Lorenzo Gianluca 9 (Zoo)*
53 Pacino Mattia 9 (Fish UR)*
54 Amateis Marco 9 (Life)*
55 Signetto Piero 8 (TurboScoiattoli)*
56 Verra Daniele 7 (Keeper)
57 Faramia Cohen Davide 7 (Trix)
58 Mapelli Francesco 7 (Fish UR)*
59 Bertolazzo Nicola 6 (Fish UR)*
60 Matacchione Francis 6 (Zoo)*
61 Bronzino Simone 6 (Stacker)
62 Leone Fernando 6 (Kobolds BG)*
63 Fausone Alessio 6 (Elves)*
64 Vesco Gianfranco 6 (Drago BG)*
65 Cardamola Dario 6 (Fish UR)*
66 Nucera Antonino 6 (Fish UR)*
67 Brescia Danilo 8 (Cerebral Assassin)
68 Saviori Fabio Fs 4 (TPS UB)
69 La Marca Enzo Alessio 4 (PT Funk)*
70 Scibilia Enrico 4 (UW Control)*
71 Martino Valerio 3 (Oath UBG)*
72 Bertinetti Alberto 3 (Welder Mud)
73 Nervo Dario 3 (Ws Slavery)
74 Genotti Prat Daniele 3 (Drago BG)*
75 Mossa Andrea 3 (TPS UB)
76 Gelli Paolo 3 (Drago BGR)*
77 Viscomi Giuseppe 2 (Drago UBG)*
78 Camandona Luca 2 (Weenie)*
80 Romano Luca 0 (TheRock BGW)*
81 Genovese William (Keeper)




Deck's Breakdown

Cerebral Assassin 1
C-Slaver 3
Dragon 5
Elves 1
Fish 13
Food Chain 1
Keeper 2
Control-Denial UR 1
Kobolds Tendrils 1
Landstill 3
Life 1
M&M 1
Madness RG 2
Madness URG 2
MonoBlack 1
MonoBlue 1
MonoRed 1
Oath 2
PentaStax 1
PT Funk 1
3C - Sexy Control 1
Stacker 3
T1T 6
TheRock 1
TPS 6
Transmute 1
Trix 1
TurboSquirrels 1
UW 1
VialFish 1
Weenie 3
Welder Mud 4
Ws Slavery 4
Zoo 4



Top8's Decklists

1° - Lorenzo Fedeli - T1Tog

4 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
3 Island
2 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus
1 Sol ring
1 Library of Alexandria

4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Accumulated Knowledge
2 Deep analysis
3 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
4 Cunning Wish
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Psychatog
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Duress

SIDEBOARD:

1 Fling
1 Firestorm
1 Lava Dart
1 Snuff Out
1 Stifle
1 chain of Vapor
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Shattering Pulse
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Rushing River
1 Gush
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Misdirection




2° - Andrea Garella - Italian-C-Slavery

5 Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
4 Volcanic Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox PEarl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Accumulated Knowledge
3 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Intuition
3 Cunning Wish
3 Goblin Welder
1 read the Runes
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
1 Tinker
1 Mystical Tutor
2 Deep Analysis
1 Sundering Titan
1 Mindslaver
1 Triskelion
1 Pentavus

SIDE:

1 Starstorm
2 Blood Moon
1 Fire/Ice
1 Misdirection
1 Shattering Pulse
1 Rushing River
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Gush
1 Jester Cap
1 Duplicant
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Read the Runes
1 Pulse of the Grid




3° - Albert Natta - Nat-Stacker

4 Arcbound Ravager
4 Myr Retriver
4 Skullclamp
4 Tangle Wire
3 Smokestack
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Sphere of resistance
4 Metalworker
3 Triskelion
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana crypt
1 Sol ring
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby+
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 sundering Titan
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Memory Jar

SIDE:

3 Razormire Masticore
2 Jester Cap
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Triskelion
2 Duplicant
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Culling Scales




4° - Mennella Alessandro - TPS UBr

4 Dark Ritual
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Duress
4 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Badlands
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Rebuild
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Timetwister
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Tinker
1 Memory Jar
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Mind's Desire
1 Cunning Wish
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Necropotence
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Bloodstained Mire

SIDE:

1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Rushing River
1 Brain Freeze
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Rebuild
1 Pyroblast
1 Misdirection
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Stifle
2 Hydroblast
1 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Echoing Truth



5° - Rocco Palumbo - Gay/r Unpowered

4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Cloud of Faeries
4 Volcanic Island
4 Force of Will
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Null Rod
2 Crucible of Worlds
3 Daze
4 Island
3 Curiosity
3 Standstill
3 Brainstorm
2 Gorilla Shaman
2 Sigil of Sleep
4 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
2 Misdirection

SIDE:

4 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Annul
2 Mogg Salvage
2 Rack and Ruin
4 Red Elemental Blast




6° Turno - Alessandro Filippini - Madness RG

4 Taiga
4 Bazaar of Bagdad
4 Wooded Foothils
2 Forest
2 Mountain
2 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Windswept Heath
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Sol Ring
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Squee, Goblin Nobab
4 Wild Mongrel
4 Basking Rootwalla
4 Fiery Themper
3 Arrogant Wurm
3 Survival of the Fittest
2 Fire/Ice
2 Goblin Welder
2 Anger
1 Ascetic Troll
1 Terravore
1 Gamble
1 Grim Lavamancer

SIDE:

Tormod's Crypt
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Seedtime
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
2 Naturalize
2 Ground Seal
1 Sirocco




7° - Giacomo Alberto Mallamaci - M&M's

4 Eternal Witness
3 Meddling Mage
1 Mox Pearl
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mox Emerald
1 Time Walk
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
2 Crucible of Worlds
4 Aether Vial
4 Mana Leak
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Force of Will
4 Wasteland
4 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Ninja of the Deep Hours
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
2 Engineered Explosives
4 Standstill
1 Rushing River
3 Man-o'-War
1 Jushi Apprentice

SIDE:

3 Viridian Shaman
3 Hidden Gibbons
3 Arcane Laboratory
3 Ascetic Troll
2 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Hydroblast




8° - Jonathan Genovese - TPS UB

2 Tendrils of Agony
1 Tinker
1 Darksteel Colossus
2 Cunning Wish
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana crypt
2 Gifts Ungiven
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Lim Dul's Vault
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
1 Mind's Desire
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Timetwister
4 Duress
4 Underground Sea
1 Sol Ring
4 Dark Ritual
1 Nercopotence
1 Yawgmoth's Bargain
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Rebuild
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Memory Jar
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Swamp
2 Island

SIDE

1 Fact of Ficton
1 Accumulated Knowledge
2 Misdirection
1 Stifle
1 Rebuild
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Brain Freeze
2 tormod's Crypt
3 Blue Elemental Blast


















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This is the Report of Giacomo Mallamaci aka MagoDistruttore on TheAbyss.
He played his own creation, tuned through the time with me and other players, that he called M&M's.
Enjoy!
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Hi guys, here is a report of a top8 with a new deck i've built some time ago...

Little hyistory of this deck:
Before 1st may I played only 3 tournaments with this deck making 3 top8 and a 5-2, first version was very fish like with eternal witness, clouds of fairies, standstill, rootwater thief and other little stuff, but even i made top8 in a little tournament i wasn't satisfied by the deck (i played this tournament at the same time as GP Zurich, where Matteo Cirigliano made 2nd place with a Mirrodin Block Constructed based on the same theme of recurring eternal witness)
The second one was a very little tournament, i made final with M&M's losing by Unpowered BG Dragon, i took out fishes and fairies for better creatures.
Then i played again in Piacenza in September and i was 5-2 losing by Stacker and TPS.

After a Saturday passed playing in Chambery (France) with my TPS losing y a Goblin deck even i played a first turn Darksteel Colossus, i decided to play newest version of M&M's (that's the name i given to my deck) the 1st May tournament in Turin. After that tournament, i think i need to swap Jushi Apprentice with the 2nd Ninja of the Deep Hour, but anyway that's the list i played Sunday:

M&M's 1.7
Creatures (12)
3 Man-o-War
4 Eternal Witness
3 Meddling Mage
1 Ninja of the deep
1 Jushi Apprentice

Draw (7)
1 Ancestral Recall
4 Standstill
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Time Walk

Control (15)
4 Fow
4 Mana Leak
1 Echoing Truth
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Rushing River
2 Enginereed Explosives
2 Crucible of worlds

Lands & Mana (26)
4 Aether Vial
1 Strip mine
4 Wasteland
3 Mishra's factory
4 Tropical Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Tundra
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus

Sideboard
3 Viridian Shaman
3 Troll Ascetic
3 Hidden Gibbons
3 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Arcane Laboratory

We was only 81 but the level was high as usual.


1st round: Stacker

First Game
He starts with a first turn crucible and a second turn Triskelion + wasteland, i had no force so i lost in a few turns

sideboarding:
+3 Viridian Shaman
+2 Troll Ascetic
-1 Jushi Apprentice
-4 Mana Leak

Second Game
It was my turn to cast a first turn crucible, adding also a first turn Aether Vial, on the second turn i started to waste every land he played and on the third turn i dropped a meddling mage calling Triskelion, i killed my opponent with Mage, Ninja and a Mishra's fabrik

Third Game
He played a first turn juggernaut, on my turn i played mishra's factory who gaves me mana for an aether vial, he attacked and played a crucible of worlds, i responded with a force of will, on my second turn i put a counter on the vial and played a standstill, he drew and attacked again for 5, then he played a smokestack, i didn't find the second force of will so it passed, on my third turn i charged vial again drop third land and passed, he charged smokestack and drop another of that stupid card, he didn't attacked fearing my mishra so i played echoing truth on smokestacks and played my meddling mage with vial, on fourth turn i putted the 3rd counter on vial and i drew a viridian shaman who killed his juggernaut, the following turn i use my ninjutsu ability and i dropped again the shaman who destroyed the smokestack he casted on his turn.

2-1 (1-0-0)

2nd round: Zoo

First Game
I started with a vial, on his first turn he played an hidden gibbons and it resolves because i haven't any forces of will, on his second, he played a river boa, on my third turn i played a man-o-war bouncing his boa, he missed the 3rd land drop and resolves again his boa, i attacked because he haven't any green mana, no blocks declared, so i play my ninja and return back my man-o-war, on his third turn i try to cast a pyrostatic pillar, i countered it with a mana leak, he attacked with gibbons, i played man-o-war with vial as an instant speed, then an ancestral recall gave me 2 eternal witness and a standstill, soon i was able to win the game with 7 creatures vs is only boa.

Sideboarding:
+3 Troll ascetic
+2 Viridian Shaman
-4 Standstill
-1 Aether Vial

Second Game
I kept an hand with Tropical, 2 Aether Vial, a mox, engineered explosives, mishra factory and an ascetic Troll. He started with a gorilla shaman, i drew and drop my mishra, then he drop an hidden gibbons and played a chain lightning targeting me, on my turn, i played mox, tropical and engineered explosives with 1 counter, i sacrified my explosives on my turn because i don't want my opponent's shaman eat my mox emerald, on his turn he played a river boa, then i resolved first troll and first vial, he attacked me and played a pyrostatic pillar, i attacked with troll and mishra, after 2 turns i played with my vial the second troll and with him, i easily won the game

2-0 (2-0-0)

3rd round: Oath Unpowered

First Game
On first 5 turns he destroyed my my 4 lands with wastelands, but unfortunately he didn't find any oath before i drew my black lotus, so i resolved a crucible of worlds and after some turns i won with a Ninja (i took back a mishra factory) and a Meddling mage.

Sideboarding:
I know this player is playing null rod so:
+3 Viridian Shaman
-1 Jushi apprentice
-1 Aether Vial
-1 Standstill

Second Game
I played a first turn meddling mage (calling oath of druids), on next turns i destroyed some lands with wastelands and crucible, he played a lot of brainstorms and impulses, but he can't find any solutions for my mage, then i drew my time walk and played 4 turns in a row thanks my eternal witness

2-0 (3-0-0)

4th Round: TPS

First game:
I take 2 Mulligans, he started land-duress-lotus-necropotence...

Sideboarding:
+3 hidden Gibbons
+3 Arcane laboratory
-2 Crucible of worlds
-1 Jushi Apprentice
-1 Man-o-War
-1 Chain of vapor
-1 Standstill

Second game:
I started with land-gibbons, he passed, then i played meddling mage calling dark ritual, he resolves brainstorm at my end of turn, he tried to play a necropotence with his lotus but i have a mana leak and a force of will, i won that game 3 turns later

Third Game:
He take a mulligan and starts with an island and pass, i drew and played Mox Emerald and a tropica island, he drew and drop a mox, i drop my second land and i casted an arcane laboratory, he responded with a force of will, I did the same, then he plays a misdirection on my force of will, on the next turn he drew an ancestral recall and with it he find another mox and tinker, an 11/11 was on his side, on the 2 next turns i didn't draw any bouncer so i lost. I wasn't expect he can keep colossus on his deck, so i sided out many bouncers.

1-2 (3-1-0)

5th round: UGr Dragon Unpowered

First Game
I started with a vial, he uses his first turn bazaar and discarded 2 squee and a sundering titan, on the second turn i countered his animate dead with a mana leak, on the third turn he played a duress discarding a force of will, but i have a man-o-war on hand and a vial on table, so he tried again to animate his titan, with no lands in play i bounced his titan leaving him with no lands other Bazaar of baghdad, i drew another man-o-war and on his end of turn, i resolved an eternal witness and take back a land, after some turns i won with time walk

Sideboard:
+3 Blue elemental blast
+2 Viridian Shaman
-1 Jushi Apprentice
-4 Standstill

Second game:
He animated a 3rd turn Titan, but i have a vial and 2 eternal witness so i started to chumpblocking the 7/10 with 1 witness using the other one to take her back, after 3 turns he doesn't have any land so i put into play a man-o-war and easily win the game with a tutored time walk.

2-0 (4-1-0)

6th round: UG Madness

First Game
He start with tropical island-mana crypt-wild mongrel, i played a mishra, on second turn he attacked me for 4 discarding a squee and an arrogant wurm, i had no answers for a 2nd turn 4/4 trample, no bouncers, no man-o-war so i died 2 turns later

Sideboarding:
+3 Ascetic Troll
+2 Viridian Shaman
-4 Standstill
-1 Jushi Apprentice

Second Game
he had a mulligan then he kept an hand with 3 bazaar of baghdad and a tropical island, after some turns he had no lands and explosives took away his mongrel, a ninja and a troll ascetic killed him

Third Game
He was able to resolve just 2 basking rootwallas destroyed by an engineered explosives, with shaman and wastelands i left him again without lands then i won with eternal witness on time walk

2-1 (5-1-0)

7th round: RG Madness
I.D.

Quarter Finals: TPS.

First game:
I took two mulligans, he started with swamp-duress, on the second turn he resolved Dark ritual and necropotence, he won the game after 2 turns.

Sideboarding
+3 hidden Gibbons
+3 Arcane laboratory
-2 Crucible of worlds
-1 Jushi Apprentic
-3 Standstill

Second game:
I didn't take any mulligans but he started with duress again, then again necropotence, but this time i had a force of will, obviously he had a force of will too, so i lost the game the next turn.


PROPS
Ninja of the deep hour: he is the MVP of the day
The deck: it is stronger than i expected, I sugget you to try some matches with this funny deck

Slops
Jushi apprentice: absolutely an useless card, i think is better to play second ninja.
My bouncers: they disappear every time a darksteel colossus hit the table


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M@xxM@tt
To be continued...

[Machinus]

I like the tog deck a lot. Where is your keeper list?

Congrats to Giacomo on the high finish. Great work on the fish list, vial + green is a strong team.

[rvs]

The real question is: when will you guys actually start metagaming? I can't believe those guys can win tournament after tournament with roughly the same deck

[Dante]

looking at the theabyss.biz, wasn't piacenza on 4/24?  You wouldn't happen to have the 2nd place Madness decklists from  Genova on 4/10 or Piacenza on 4/24 would you?

Bill

[MaxxMatt]

@Dante.
Yes, you are right. I confused the cities and the results.

For the ones who usually didn't surf through TheAbyss, I'll add a brief summary of our last month tourney results


Last Results

Turin - 01/05/05

1 Lorenzo Fedeli (T1Tog)
2 Andrea Garella (Italian-Control Slavery)
3 Albert Natta (Nat-Stacker)
4 Alessandro Mennella (TPS UBR)
5 Rocco Palumbo (Fish UR)*
6 Alessandro Filippini (Madness RG)
7 Giacomo Mallamaci (Ug-Vial-Aggro-Control- "M&M's")
8 Jonathan Genovese (TPS UB)

9 Bollino Andrea 15 (Fish UR)*
10 Ellena Marco 15 (3C-Sexy-Control)
11 Bernini Daniel 15 (MonoBlue)
12 Zarà Walter 15 (C-Slaver)
13 Scarafia Alessandro 15 (Fish UR)*
14 Airaudo Michele 15 (PentaStax)
15 Gentili Marcello 15 (MonoRed)*
16 Bindi Marco 15 (Landstill UWR)



Piacenza - 24/04/05

1 Filippo Grigatti (T1Tog)
2 Lorenzo Fedeli (T1Tog)
3 Avogadro Andrea (Madness URG)
4 Marco Marotta (Ws Slavery)
5 Alberto Ferloni (Hulk Smash)
6 Lorenzo Vignati (Control Slavery)
7 Daniele Zubiani (Vial-Fish UWR)*
8 Lietti Filippo (Lock&Mask)


Alessandria - 14/04/05

1 Marco Marotta (Ws Slavery)
2 Armando Amodeo (Stacker)
3 David Beduzzi (Welder Mud)
4 Massimiliano Garofalo (Stacker)
5 Pietro Cavalletti (TPS UBg)
6 Luca Simone (TPS UBr)
7 Enea Salvaderi (4c-Hulk Smash)
8 Marco Ellena (3C-Sexy-Control)


Genova - 10/04/05

1 Marco Sponza (Oath UBG)
2 Andrea Garella (Madness URG)
3 Davide Faramia Cohen  (Purple Trix)
4 Dario Contadin (T1Tog)
5 Andrea Pasquali (TPS UB)
6 Maycol Del Soldato (Hulk Smash)
7 Alessandro Lippi (TPS UB)
8 Marco Mazzei (Mono Black)*


Turin - 03/04/05

1 David Besso (Pink-Shit)
2 Michele Airaudo (Penta Stax)
3 Matteo Grella (Landstill UWR)
4 Emilio Cirillo (Dragon BR)*
5 Francis Matacchione (Zoo)*
6 Pier Cristiglio (Fish UR)*
7 Pietro Cavalletti (TPS UBG)
8 Andrea Garella (Italian-Control Slavery)


Piacenza - 20/03/05

1 Rocco Palumbo (T1Tog)
2 Sandro Lanfredini (TPS UB)
3 Walter Zarà (Italian-Control Slavery)
4 Daniele Zubiani (Fish UR)*
5 Andrea Garella (Italian-Control Slavery)
6 David Besso (TPS UB)
7 Luca Chiassoni (Dragon BRG)*
8 Pietro Cavalletti (TPS UB)

"*" = Unpowered Decks


I'll copy the Madness-RG list as soon as I can grab it




@Machinus


…This is what I "ordered" to play to the ones who still follow me and my menthal elucubrations...


[Protections - 13]
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
4 Duress
1 Mindtwist

[Drawers - 13]
4 Brainstorm
3 Skeletal Scrying
3 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk

[Tools - 8]
3 Phyrexian Furnaces
2 Sword to Plowshares
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Balance

[Winners - 3]
2 Decree of Justice
1 Yawgmoth's Will

[Mana - 24]
8 PetalSoLoMoxen
5 Blue Based Fetchland
4 Undeground Sea
3 Tundra
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Library of Alexandria

[Sideboard - 15][/b]
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Sacred Ground
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Dismantling Blow
1 Decree of Justice
1 Gush

This list is really strong and it is properly metagamed to defeat and win:
-TPS
-Atog
-C-Slavery
-Oath

The side provide different configurations for the "randomness" that every tourney usually have and it let you adjust at your maximum against MW.dec.

-Chalices enter against Fast-Aggro, Fish and TPS
-Sacred Grounds enter against MW.dec
-Edicts are there for Oath and against the ones who pack in CotVs to protects his own creatures
-E.E. are there to get rid of all the Non-Null-Rod-Based-Randmness and the opponent Chalices all at once.
-Gush and Decree#3 enter in for the Control-Mirror and against TPS, in both of the cases to speed up my possible win

Preside its HUGE drawback is the probably loss after a quickly resolved CotV for 1.
Postside, as you have seen, I planned to add specific tools not to die to that damn single spell.




@Rudy



The real answer is: A player with a better feeling for "his own deck" and better playskills would always have an edge against the ones who simply metagame decks.

While, of course, I realize that my statement is not strictly "a rule", I can assure you that a lot of other players tried to "emulate" the deck of the ones that usually Top8/Win in Italy.
Sadly, without having good results at all...


While usually "we" didn't change an ENTIRE deck so easily because of not foresighting reasons such as :
"...a new deck as arrived..." or
"...!!!111!!!OMFG!!!1!!!!! thisnewdeckPWNSall..." or
"...A man win with another deck, mine is dead..." or
"...someone told me that it is not the deck to play... " …  we ALWAYS try different configurations, sometimes with minor changes sometimes with huge ones.

For example, L.Fedeli and F.Grigatti are the ones who made A LOT of minor and strong changes to their Atog...
...Cut the Green...then
….full set of Wishes…then
...Atog & Sarcatog...then
…TFK instead of Deeps… then
...Atog & DSC... then...
..who would know? ^_^

Andrea Garella, Walter Zara and his teammates are the ones I saw that metagamed properly their own C-Slavery at now. They maindecked HATE against the field ( 3 CotVs and Wishes and Read the Runes) exactly as the rest of the field maindeck hate against them with the results of winning thanks to it with the "usual" deck's bombs.

Pieto Cavalletti, Giuseppe De Luca and Luca Simone were one of the first to progressively cut colors and clunky cards from Multicolored-Old-School-TPS … then they tried something new re-adding red .. then they tried something new adding green… then…

I collaborated with Zherbus, Toad and the other TMDers to a form a control that could be consistently different from atog, slavery and oath but that could possibly keep a predominant role among those giant.

Me, LuigiBonaiuto and his team strictly collaborated with each other to continuously revamp MUD, adding and cutting entire set of cards almost weekly

Vale Pisoni and Andrea Giorgini are good innovators because they both usually try a lot new ideas ( even if they cannot play often at our local tourneys ) and balance the news with the goals reached in the past.

We have a lot of "co-prodution" between Teams and a lot of players are now coming back to re-study and focus attention to well balanced and not-auto-losing hybrid form of MW-based decks.

Nothing totally new and good can be popped up from the hat and do well for entire months.



I'm the one who metagame MORE here in Italy... but...
...Extreme metagaming didn't win tourneys here...






OTOH, I'm sure that a lot of results are completely conditioned by our good players beside our good decks
  
MAxxMAtt

[Machinus]

4 Duress
1 Mindtwist
1 Lotus Petal

How long have you been running lotus petal, and how is it better than another land or spell? Also, isnt 4 duress + twist overkill in the discard department, especially if each of these spells is weaker because of welder/will decks?

[Dante]

I'll copy the Madness-RG list as soon as I can grab it

Actually it was the 3 color (URG) builds I was looking for...thanks!

[MaxxMatt]

@Machinus.

Welder.dec with Drains force you to use a typical "controllish" approach to your entire game plan.

I usually Duress my opponent as soon as possible EVEN is it as active Welder in play. These decks, infact, usually have, more or less, full hands of counterspells and drawers that tools as Duress are perfect to destroy or slow down.

Their Non-Creatures bombs that they usually discard to resuse with Welders are low in count and only sometimes, I was forced to discard things such as Mindslaver or Jester's Cap or Deep Analysis.

Checking their hand before they reach 3 mana open usually provide you a good gain in tempo, because you would discard things such as TFK or Intuitions or  Counters , slowing down their entire game plan.

The redundant of my discarding outlets let me play consistently with an eye through the opponents' cards and it is more simple and more safe than ever.

Welder.dec Withuot Drains instead, force you to carefully think about what are you doing and about the reciprocal board position BEFORE you decide to Duress your opponents.

Anyone of the early-game Welder's switch can be deadly from my point of view so I usually keep Duressing my opponent if I'm going first and if he haven't resolved Welders yet.

Even if he is holding Welders in his hand and if he resolve such a thing AFTER my Duress, I'm usually in a better board position, because:

1) I can play safely and correctly because I retrospectively I knew his possible moves.
2) I have two turns to Plow away his Welder or resolve a Phyrexian Furnaces.

Both those moves ( Duress first, then Search/Resolve answers for his Welders ) and Drain/FoW some other things usually put you in a so good board position that you can gain full advantage from your powerful draw engine, a things against which it has not so many answers.

While I was describing things and game situations with the possibly best reciprocal timing, IF I WENT SECOND or usually during Game 2 and 3, I usually side out the full set of Duresses ( plus other things ) to make space to specific and reactive answers such as D-Blow and E.E. or general porpouses tools such as Sacred Ground.


Another thing that I cannot fail to mention is that heavy discards effects and early Phyrexian Furnaces usually translate themselves into a "mini-combo" that completely shut down all our worst enemies: Welders, Intuitions and Y Wills





IMHO, Lotus Petal is a good addition to the maindeck.
I usually use Mana Crypt in this spot, but I haven't a single maindeck tool to get rid of it when I need. So ( convinced by Zherbus ) I opted to use it and it function well. I would have preferred Crypt over Petal if I could have disposed of 2 or 3 Wishes.

OTOH, It has a lot of different "minor-useful-sinergies" that, plays after plays, convinced me over and over about it.

1) I have 3 TFK, so adding another artifact is always a good addtion
2) I have3 Phyrexian Furnaces, so adding another way to produce 2 mana during my first turn to completely shut down an entire Intuition or double Welder is amazing
3) I have 4 Mana Drain and Draining things since my first turn can be game a lot of times
4) I made large use ( as any Y.WIll.dec ) of any single cards in my grave and this multicolored mana fonts can help me more than trouble me. I can sac it before my Y Will and then reuse it again.
5) It is a quick way to feed larger Skeletals since the first turns, larger Mindtwist as soon as possible and quicker TFKs.
6) Sometimes it let me optimize a Brainstorm+Fetchland since my first turn
















 

[rvs]

@MaxxMatt: I'm not saying that you guys should play metagame decks / hate decks. I just don't understand why people don't prepare better for the Tog matchup. It seems to be that if mr Fedile, even if he is one of the best players in Italys T1, continues to win tournaments all the time. Aren't people picking up on it?

I guess what I'm trying to say is: how serious should we take these results? How many serious players who test regularly and know what is going on actually play at these tournaments. Maybe I'm spoiled because in Eindhoven I know at least 90% of the people fall into the catagory, which is why I don't think any deck or deck-concept can overrun a tournament twice in a row here.

Anyway, since I didn't say this in my previous post, thanks for posting these results. I know how tedious it is to get decklists online, and on top of that, you provide a lot more info. Major Props.
Also, am I finally going to meet you in Paris? I would like to.

[MaxxMatt]

@Rudy.

An answer to your statements is really difficult to explain.
Not because of my English but because, excluding some little French and Dutch presence ( Levet's Brothers, AArndt and some of his friends ), we usually play "our" Magic.

"Our Magic" not stay for "Different Magic".
The game is the same. I'm talking about the one that need to be shuffled and played.
But the other game... uhm...the great difference that I observe consist on menthality.

I try to briefly sum up my thoughts into few lines:

1) Almost anyone among our players "choose" something to play: 1 or 2 or 3 or entire typologies of decks.
2) They crush into enemies with them, continuously talking/testing/changing/winning/losing without giving up with it with ease.
3) This is a long work that don't necessarily give you any insurance of results. All you have is "faith" in your own work.
4) Even if the deck reaveal itself as "not necessarily broken or tier1 or thedecktobeat, really few players suddenly decide to completely change ( and consequently discard ) his work, because there are always new things to test/talk/change EVEN with old archetypes.
5) After billions of loss, ONLY NOW, some ( and I would like to underline... SOME! ) players started to check for something completely new.


During this long process the other decks evolved themselves.
Anyone in our community is introduced to our "little conquests" about some "XYZ-Deck".
OTOH, things such as T1Tog evolved too...

From the his first appeareance ( a Top8 of Karsten far before Carl's Winning Result at the American T1 Mondial Championships ) the deck, which is IMHO the strongest choice for a wise player, at doubled his row power.

From a brokeness point of view, I consider it as "control-combo at his maximum":  It can combo you out WITHOUT needing "combo-pieces" at all.

We all knew and own the "answers" to this deck.
They are called TPS ( if well played ), Control-Madness, 5Tinker.dec, C-Slavery with Black, C-Slavery with Chalices, maybe my version of 3C-Control and so on...

But OTOH, when chosing what to play, you have to balance things FIRST and then decide what to play.
So, when you have to weight if winning with the few Togs or playing WITH Togs or losing to a greater part of the field with unstable decks... at that sadly point, a lot of players started not to choose to lose, hoping to encounter well-played-Togs at the possible minimum.

I haven't seen a single time yet, one of our toruneys dominated by such a "foreign new deck" contemporarily to the wins in the other parts of the world.

It isn't because of lack of knowledge or internet.
We all knew "what happened".
I recognize that the changes are really slow, if compared to what usually happen in Germany or in USA.

This is a fact, but while this way of thinking usually let me to properly metagame my own deck, at the same time is the testament of the lack of that bad behaviour of "following the mass" that I can extrapolate from a lot of foreign events.

The circle that I paint in my face is:

1) Some players did a new strong deck
2) Those players played it with good results
3) All the players tried to hate out this deck or simply play this deck
4) The first WISE group of players is aware of this bad behaviour of the OTHER players and choose to play things that can beat decks 3)
5) After an exchange of trix between the mass and those few wise players, you should restert from point 1).


While this statements could possibly appear reasonable from a superficial point of view, more insightful, I can assure you that are a testament of THE LACK of personal testing and coerent application into Magic EXCLUDING the players involved into point 1).

In Germany and in the north of Europe, If all the good players would decide to play Tog AGAIN, I'm totally sure to see them winning AGAIN and AGAIN with it.

In America, If none of the best players would have started to sadly rant "Atog is Dead! Atog is Dead!!! Long life to Atog", we would see it as the winner even there. Maybe with regional and obviously statistic variations, but he would have won A LOT, exactly as here in Europe.

Tog Top8 in Spain and make appereance if well played in France.


Unluckily for us, the good players are the ones who  inherently decide WHICH deck should be feared.
If they decide to play it, they would, statistically speaking, at least Top8 with it.
If the decide to play another one, they would, statistically speaking, at least Top8 with it.


I'm extremely convinced by my this last sentences.
It is not the deck that alone can win or loose.
It is always coupled with a pulsing hearth...






MaxxMatt


PS.
I'll definitively be in Paris on May.
The best thing that I'm going to do at this event, would be to couple Nicknames to Real-Life-Faces!
...and drink French Whiskies!