A short coverage of Vintage Championship in France

[Subaru]

It's avaible here : http://solomoxen.com/CdF/

Sorry for the delay but we had problems with the network of the room where we are
I will give you some pictures and other informations later (in an hour, after the 8th rounds).

[Subaru]

Some pictures are available here : http://photos.solomoxen.com ("Vintage Championship in France")

[dexter]

No update on r7?

[Lunar]

any idea when we can expect more results??? this hasnt been updated for like 6-8 hours or something....

[dexter]

so what won? who played it? and most importent were did the swedes end up in the end?

[carl]

Check out some more pictures at http://callendor.zongo.be/gallery/frenchamp05
Feel free to add comments if you know the players' name so I can add a caption.

By the way, I dropped at 5-3-0 with Vengeur Masqué :)

Results: http://solomoxen.com/forum/index.php?topic=194.135

[racetraitor]

Here's the T8 (copied from the solomoxen.com forums):

1- Stéphane Tichadou (Dragon)
1- Alejandro Escribano (Bazaar Infestation)
3- José An Alascio Lopez (Drain Slaver)
4- Andra Garella (Drain Slaver)
5- Daniel Eufinger (?)
6- Paul I (Tog)
7- Tim Bergmann (Urphid)
8- Marco Ardoino (?)

Other notables in the t32 are Stefan Gussenhoven at 13th, Serge Metz at 17th, Swedish champion Konrad Oskarsson at 22nd place, Michael Wiese of CAB at 26th and TMD's Rudy Van Soest (rvs) at 27th. More info will be posted soon I guess.

[Dr. Sylvan]

Results: http://solomoxen.com/forum/index.php?topic=194.135

I have no idea why, but the text on that page has all the letters scrambled, with lots of extra vowels and nonsensical accent marks!


(P.S. Feed me decklists.)

[Whatever Works]

Appears to be no workshops in the top 8, and no "true" combo (I.E. Ritual Based Combo). This leads to the question that deserves to be posed following almost no combo/workshop (accept 2nd) at waterbury: Am i wrong, or did the restriction of trinisphere help control more then combo??? My answer is a very loud yes.

I want decklists!!! I cant wait to see the Bazaar infestation list... How did it win through so much grave hate #1? and #2 koen said it ran Psychatog... this should be interesting.

[Kowal]

Interesting, but disappointing.  The rumor on IRC is that the frenchies are the cause for the t8 looking so mediocre thus far.

[ANCESTRAL]

They Judges made some really dumb rulings in the end...

Cheating by not saying you have mana left and then when a spell resolved saying that you had mana left and only getting a warning...

( i dont know the exact details you shouldask Rudy for it )

[Eddie]

The judges where just sooooo stupid. My friend played against someone with marked sleeves (even different sleeves for certain cards) and the guy didn't even get a warning. Also, they where way off in several occasions. Let's not talk about what happened in the dragon-uba stax matchup in the last swiss. The judge should have known better. rel 3 my ass. Vintage judging is not equal to standard judging IMHO.

Well, it was nice to play in the event anyway, even though my result sucked. So Kowal, why wheren't you there?

[Kerith]

They Judges made some really dumb rulings in the end...

Cheating by not saying you have mana left and then when a spell resolved saying that you had mana left and only getting a warning...

( i dont know the exact details you shouldask Rudy for it )

The situation was that the player in question tapped his Academy (3 artifacts) and his Mox Jet to play two AKs. Appearently he forgot that one of the artifacts was a Helm of Awekening and answered "Zero" when he was asked how much mana was in his mana pool. When his opponent REBs the AK he notices that really he does not have zero but two mana in his mana pool.

As you can see, there was no spell resolving because he said he had no mana in his pool, if you don't have all the information don't post such about it, please. And yes, I ruled it as a warning, Rudy appealed and the Head Judge confirmed my ruling.

@Eddie: I don't know about the situations you described, but generally calling all the judges stupid is just dumb.

@racetraitor: Daniel Eufinger played a version of Sensei, I think.

[Kowal]

Judging by what I've heard so far, I'm glad I didn't go.  But I can't shake the feeling looking at what placed highly that if I had gone, I'd be $5000 richer.  I'd like to hear where ELD went wrong.

[Eddie]

@Eddie: I don't know about the situations you described, but generally calling all the judges stupid is just dumb.

I know. But if you see 5 incorrect calls by judges and hear other stories from team members and random people you talk to, you just start to wonder what was happening. I actually didn't mean that all the judges where stupid. I guess that due to the level of incompetence from certain situations I generalised too much. I apologise for that.

[Bram]

I'd like to hear where ELD went wrong.

ELD was 2-1 having lost zero games :-/ In round 3, he played the wrong opponent. They only figured it out when filling in the slip and the guys who were at the wrong table (including eric) got a match loss. His opponent's first name was very similar or the same as the guy he was meant to be playing. He did ofcourse ask beforehand, but just first name I guess. Also, the table numbers were really unclear.

In case anyone's interested: I scrubbed out bad. I'm not at all surprised ritual based combo didn't make the cut. My Deathlong could simply not fight through all the mainboard hate in the first 2 rounds. That meant two draws for me and tha draw bracket is not a good place to be...

[rvs]

As you can see, there was no spell resolving because he said he had no mana in his pool, if you don't have all the information don't post such about it, please. And yes, I ruled it as a warning, Rudy appealed and the Head Judge confirmed my ruling.

It seems like you don't have all the information. In any case, you didn't even give Daniel a warning at first. Also, just because the HJ made a ruling, doesn't mean it is the correct ruling.

[Jaapmans]

As you can see, there was no spell resolving because he said he had no mana in his pool, if you don't have all the information don't post such about it, please. And yes, I ruled it as a warning, Rudy appealed and the Head Judge confirmed my ruling.

It seems like you don't have all the information. In any case, you didn't even give Daniel a warning at first. Also, just because the HJ made a ruling, doesn't mean it is the correct ruling.

I just feel the need to jump in on this one. Judges are human. Very human. Hence they make mistakes. Problem with judges making mistakes is that sometimes these mistakes can cause a player to not win money / prices / whatever.

If a player participates in a tournament, you accept the authority of the judge, as Rudy did graciously. Accepting the authority of the judge also includes not bitching about it afterwards on a forum. If you have a problem on a ruling, talk to the (head) judge about it after the round or after the swiss part of the tournament is over. Really.

I wasn't there, so I can't judge the situation. Anything I say hereafter is just my opinion sitting in my laizy chair, and can not be referred to by anyone (yes, unfortunately this disclaimer is necessary).

I talked to Rudy over MSN on this ruling, and assuming neither player made intentional statements, then the ruling of the head judge was okay. The only issue that is worth discussing (imho) is wheter one of the players deliberately made an erroneous statement.

From my experience with judges, I observe that a lot of judges are not investigating cases as thorough as they could, which sometimes can lead to player getting away with stuff they shouldn't have.

Deliberately misrepresenting the game state or an aspect of the game state is cheating, and should be awarded with a DQ without prize (that should teach the bastards).

Jaap (levelfivish)

[Subaru]

Sorry to aswer only now but I was judge on the London PTQ yesterday.

No update on r7?

No because we had some problems with the network

The standings before the Top8 are here : http://solomoxen.com/CdF/S09.html
I will post the Top8 list today.

[Jaapmans]

On a whole different note. This is by far the largest T1 event in the last couple of years (if I remember correctly). The T32 decklists define the current meta game imho. Posting these here seems the least the organizers can do for the community (except for organizing that beautifull thingy).

<bitch mode on> and I really hate it that my pre-registration wasn't confirmed<bitch mode off>

Jaap

[Subaru]

On a whole different note. This is by far the largest T1 event in the last couple of years (if I remember correctly). The T32 decklists define the current meta game imho. Posting these here seems the least the organizers can do for the community (except for organizing that beautifull thingy).

Fisrt, I post the Top8. I will post the Top32 later (today or tomorrow).

<bitch mode on> and I really hate it that my pre-registration wasn't confirmed<bitch mode off>

Jaap

I send you a mail from  my gmail box the 17th April 2005 to redirect you towards a web site (http://wizards-registration.com).

[Kerith]

As you can see, there was no spell resolving because he said he had no mana in his pool, if you don't have all the information don't post such about it, please. And yes, I ruled it as a warning, Rudy appealed and the Head Judge confirmed my ruling.

It seems like you don't have all the information. In any case, you didn't even give Daniel a warning at first. Also, just because the HJ made a ruling, doesn't mean it is the correct ruling.

Well, I talked to both of you for quite some time to make sure I get all the information. I repeated the state of the game the same way I did in this thread and the players agreed on it. And of course I did announce to give him a Warning which lead to the appeal.

@Jaapmans: Of course there is always the possibility of cheating, but I was quite convinced it wasn't the case there.

[ELD]

As mentioned, I scrubbed out worse than I ever have.  Ever.  I never really recovered mentally from the ML for playing the wrong opponent.  I went on to win the next match in spite of playing poorly.  The rest of the day was highlighted by terrible Gift's piles, brainstorming incorrectly generally misunderstanding the game state and best of all, killing myself with my own FOW.  My sideboarding was terrible, my clock management was even worse.  I did not deserve to win any matches after the 3rd round.  It will drop me from my top 10 in the world vintage rating to not even in the top 100.  That is going to take a while to build up again.   

I feel that my deck choice was solid.  I was also happy with my sideboard.  I honestly feel that if I played better, and played my real opponents, I could have top 8'd.  Sweeping through those first 3 rounds, I was playing very well.  The FTK plan was amazing vs Bird Sh*t.  Old man would not have done the job.  Gilded Drake and Nimble Mongoose are not really afraid of the marid.  Vs control, the 2 welders, 3 duress and tons of acceleration allowed for early game explosions.  Welder being countered is excellent.  He is really one of the few cards out there that you are happy about when it gets Drained.  Anyways, I will continue with this deck, and see how I do with it.  I might be able to go with a burning wish once Imperial Seal becomes legal. 

As far as the meta, it was varied and interesting. Props on the use of Bazaar.  Those Europeans are notorious for not running wastelands.  Bazaar was game over in many of the matches I saw it in.  I have maindeck and sideboard answers to it, so at least I was prepared for it.  I honestly didn't see any kinks in my decks armor, just in my horrible lack of skill. 

On a more positive side, Paris was outstanding.  Toad hosted me for the weekend, and the the dutchies were there as well.  Good times, good times.  Truly a memorable experience that was easily worth the tremendous loss of DCI points.  If they have another event like this, I hope to come back.

[[FtN|FH] Negator]

If you ask me it was a great event and i whould always visit it again.
So gogo Paris 2006