ALL of the 5/21 SCG P9 decklists

[Zombie Shakespeare]

Here is the URL to most of the decklists from the latest SCG Power 9 Event:

Richmond 5/21 Power 9 decklists

Edit: SCG has been updating the database since I originally posted this. All of the 110 decklists have been posted now.


Enjoy.

[Whatever Works]

Maybe its just me but I find it kinda humorous that they title ANY deck that runs quirian dryad as GAT even when almost none of them run any Togs.

However, It is incredibly nice to finally see decklists for the event!

[Cross]

So aside from food chain, which doesn't really count as one, there are no combo decks of any sort in the top 8. Anyone else find that interesting? It looks like combo has taken a huge hit now that trini is restricted and fish has re-emerged. Anyone else ready to play oath?

[Moxlotus]

There were also 0 Yawg Wills in the top 8.  Ok, so they were in decks 9, 10, and 11 which got jipped from tie breakers-but its still weird.  And this tournament reinforces VA players loving their Workshops about as much as Midwesterners do.

EDIT:  @ Eandori  The decks that top 8'd were either very good players, very good decks, or both. This is still no justification to playing suboptimal decks or bad cards.

[Machinus]

28 Wasteland
16 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain

[Zombie Shakespeare]

I think the big reason why there was no combo in the Top 8 and a very small amount in the Top 16 may have been because of the number of Chalice of the Voids.

All of the Top 8 except the winning deck ran Chalices. 21 in all.

9th thru 16th had five decks with them.

[Cross]

Unless it's missing cards the sixth place deck doesn't have them, but he does run four mainboard sphere of resistance. All the mainboard hate does explain the lapse in combo.

That is kinda funny that there were no yawg wills, I guess that coincides with there being no combo and no tri-color control that ran black.

[Eandori]

I'd like to take this moment to reflect on the fact that all the cards players on these boards chastized me for not using were not as rampant in the Top 8.

Yes, you CAN build good decks out of cards that are not the currently accepted "broken" cards of vintage.

Cheers,

[jpmeyer]

There were also 0 Yawg Wills in the top 8.  Ok, so they were in decks 9, 10, and 11 which got jipped from tie breakers-but its still weird.  And this tournament reinforces VA players loving their Workshops about as much as Midwesterners do.

EDIT:  @ Eandori  The decks that top 8'd were either very good players, very good decks, or both. This is still no justification to playing suboptimal decks or bad cards.

From my personal observations, it actually seemed like Fish and Gifts decks both outnumbered Workshop decks, but the Workshop decks could beat both.

[empathogen]

I'd be interested to ask Kevin and Steve whether In The Eye Of Chaos worked out for them in Stax on the day. What were they expecting to see that prompted its inclusion?

[Eandori]

EDIT:  @ Eandori  The decks that top 8'd were either very good players, very good decks, or both. This is still no justification to playing suboptimal decks or bad cards.

That's exactly the point!  Who says a card is good?  Who says a deck is suboptimal? The posters on the mana drain? 

I read these boards and I see "mob mentality."  I see people not accepting many cards as usefull until they prove themselves.  Did that mean they were not good before?  No, of course they were good before.  Some just did not know it.  I think your typical mana drain poster could use a bit more reservation before stating cards or decks are bad.

If I had shot back to 5 years ago and told players that a "Goblin" deck would win a major type 1 tournament, they would laugh their asses off.  Or partially un-powered decks would rule the format, they would also laugh.  But the results prove that it's true, these things do happen.  I believe this current tournament result is a testament to the ability for some cards and or decks to slip right under the "experts" noses.

[Moxlotus]

  I believe this current tournament result is a testament to the ability for some cards and or decks to slip right under the "experts" noses.

What cards?  I didn't see any real big surprises for card choices in decks other than Kiki Jiki, which I could still have seen as a possibility.  What cards slipped under noses that surprised us all?

[rvs]

If I had shot back to 5 years ago and told players that a "Goblin" deck would win a major type 1 tournament, they would laugh their asses off.  Or partially un-powered decks would rule the format, they would also laugh.  But the results prove that it's true, these things do happen.  I believe this current tournament result is a testament to the ability for some cards and or decks to slip right under the "experts" noses.

In 5 years, a deck featuring Slivers will win a T1 tournament!

Seriously, what are you saying here? 5 years ago a Goblin deck would've never won anything.

[Smmenen]

I'd be interested to ask Kevin and Steve whether In The Eye Of Chaos worked out for them in Stax on the day. What were they expecting to see that prompted its inclusion?

Did you read the card?

Fuck Trinisphere.  It's like Sextasphere or Octophere.  With ITEOC and Sphere of Resistence in play, Mana Drain costs FIVE

With Just In the Eye, Rack and Ruin costs SIX and Gifts Ungiven costs EIGHT. 

The best turn one play that does not involve Academy, Balance or Yawg Wll in the deck is Gemstone Mine/City of Brass, Mana Crypt, In the Eye. 

It was fantastic all day.  What did we expect that would make it good?  Instants?  Blue cards?  Force of Wills?

[Das_Boot]

That's exactly the point!  Who says a card is good?  Who says a deck is suboptimal? The posters on the mana drain?  

Yes, because this is where most of the best players in our format are.

I read these boards and I see "mob mentality."  I see people not accepting many cards as usefull until they prove themselves.  Did that mean they were not good before?  No, of course they were good before.  Some just did not know it.  I think your typical mana drain poster could use a bit more reservation before stating cards or decks are bad.

You are right, people don't accept cards that are useful until they prove themselves, through testing or others' consistent performances with that card.  The vast majority of cards are just bad in Vintage, and the vast majority of good cards are fairly obvious.  You are right in that good cards are good even before they produce results, but many bad cards just are bad, even if they make a T8.  These are the bad cards and decks that might show up in a T8, but really are meaningless.  As someone said in another thread, playing Impulses over Brainstorms and then happening to face Chalice for 1 all day might look like a good decision, but it really is a suboptimal choice, even if that person happened to make T8.  To be honest, I trust the opinions of the top players here on cards far more than I trust one Top 8.

If I had shot back to 5 years ago and told players that a "Goblin" deck would win a major type 1 tournament, they would laugh their asses off.  Or partially un-powered decks would rule the format, they would also laugh.

5 years ago, Onslaught hadn't come out, so the Goblin point is moot, and to be honest, Vintage 5 years ago sucked.  I am not making a very big assumption when I say that Vintage and Vintage players here on TMD now are a mile better than Vintage and its few players 5 years ago.  This point is irrelevant.

But the results prove that it's true, these things do happen.  I believe this current tournament result is a testament to the ability for some cards and or decks to slip right under the "experts" noses.

I look at the first decks I see on there and I see a Goblin deck, not under the radar, just not great, although capable of winning given good hands and matchups.  I see a Travis Laplante, a TMD member, in 2nd, Eric Miller, Shortbus member, in 3rd, established archetypes in 4th and 5th, a Shortbus and a Meandeck member in 6th and 7th, another Stax deck in 8th, albeit with 3 Uba Masks, a relatively unused card, then 3 Meandeckers, another Stax, and Ray Robillard floating right outside the t8.  Seems like the experts did a pretty good job to me.  It also seems like nothing slipped under the experts' noses to me.

[Khahan]

I'd be interested to ask Kevin and Steve whether In The Eye Of Chaos worked out for them in Stax on the day. What were they expecting to see that prompted its inclusion?

Did you read the card?

Fuck Trinisphere.  It's like Sextasphere or Octophere.  With ITEOC and Sphere of Resistence in play, Mana Drain costs FIVE

With Just In the Eye, Rack and Ruin costs SIX and Gifts Ungiven costs EIGHT. 

The best turn one play that does not involve Academy, Balance or Yawg Wll in the deck is Gemstone Mine/City of Brass, Mana Crypt, In the Eye. 

It was fantastic all day.  What did we expect that would make it good?  Instants?  Blue cards?  Force of Wills?

I know I hated seeing it come down in game 3. Basically ruined my day. Well that with a Chalice for 1. A sphere of resistance. A smokestack etc.

Yeah, in the eye of chaos did just fine and should not be a big surprise. I'm more surprised it hasn't gotten more press long ago.

[Whatever Works]

I'd be interested to ask Kevin and Steve whether In The Eye Of Chaos worked out for them in Stax on the day. What were they expecting to see that prompted its inclusion?

Did you read the card?

Fuck Trinisphere.  It's like Sextasphere or Octophere.  With ITEOC and Sphere of Resistence in play, Mana Drain costs FIVE

With Just In the Eye, Rack and Ruin costs SIX and Gifts Ungiven costs EIGHT. 

The best turn one play that does not involve Academy, Balance or Yawg Wll in the deck is Gemstone Mine/City of Brass, Mana Crypt, In the Eye. 

It was fantastic all day.  What did we expect that would make it good?  Instants?  Blue cards?  Force of Wills?

I know I hated seeing it come down in game 3. Basically ruined my day. Well that with a Chalice for 1. A sphere of resistance. A smokestack etc.

Yeah, in the eye of chaos did just fine and should not be a big surprise. I'm more surprised it hasn't gotten more press long ago.

It has gotten press but most of it has been relatively ignored. I ran them in stax at waterbury and just missed top 16. Its an incredibly card that says game over ESPECIALLY vs. decks that run Gifts Ungiven. If Smennen/Cron Played that deck in a waterbury metagame I feel they would have been incredibly successful though 9th/10t isnt bad, but you cant do anything about tiebreakers.

[49 Cents]

Thanks for the Posting. It has some really interesting lists.. Good job everybody in the T8 (and T9 in this case, because I really like Stephen's Staxx list.. )
I've tried In the Eye of Chaos before in staxx but it never really fitted in.. In your list you don't really have that problem.
It seems especially good against Gifts ungiven

Greetz,

Hugo

Edit: Damn you for posting while I typed again

[jpmeyer]

Alright, I need to know: What exactly do people think is random/suboptimal/bad/strange about the top8?  It looks pretty normal to me.

[49 Cents]

Alright, I need to know: What exactly do people think is random/suboptimal/bad/strange about the top8?  It looks pretty normal to me.

It had a FCG list at #1, giving all budget players hope again (blabla), It had a strange Workshop Aggro list on #2, and there is a new Fish deck in it.. That is strange, but a don't think it's bad or something, just take a look at the French Champs T8, that's interesting as well.

Greetz,

Hugo

[Revvik]

Alright, I need to know: What exactly do people think is random/suboptimal/bad/strange about the top8?  It looks pretty normal to me.

In short, nothing.  The players there apparently used what was necessary to win, regardless if there were 4 or 32 copies of Mana Drain in the top 8.  A format of stagnant innovation and growth turns to a highly competitive field of ingenuity, and comments like "janky", "terrible", and "White Weenie" get thrown around and hurt people's feelings.

EDIT: This is also mostly how I stand on European top 8s.  I'd love to compete over there and marvel at how badly I'm being beaten by some of the devices they construct.