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« on: July 04, 2005, 09:13:05 pm »

Dieing Oasis
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Tap: Add one colorless mana to your mana pool.

Sacrifice Dieing Oasis: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 09:50:12 pm »

Archaeological Dig
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2005, 12:12:55 am »

That card sucks though.

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2005, 12:15:47 am »

At least it doesn't make 2 mana Surprised
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2005, 01:21:13 am »

Given that Odyssey Block provided us with a cycle of common sacrifice-lands that were strictly better than Archeological Dig (Seafloor Debris, Bog Wreckage, etc.) I don't think there's any problem with creating a card that is very similar to, but also strictly better than Archeological Dig in another way (in this case, the ability to {T}, sacrifice for 1C). It isn't nearly as powerful as it sounds, since it does cost a land drop. Lotus Petal, this is not.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2005, 01:58:29 am »

Please read the rules about how to post a card. Refer to any thred by Ephraim, Jacob Orlove, or myself to see exampls of how it should be done. I'm posting this in all your threads to make sure you get the message.[/color]
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2005, 03:01:39 am »

Please read the rules about how to post a card. Refer to any thred by Ephraim, Jacob Orlove, or myself to see exampls of how it should be done. I'm posting this in all your threads to make sure you get the message.[/color]

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2005, 04:52:34 am »

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2005, 07:08:03 pm »

Bump! Muahahaha! I have used my accidentally-granted moderator powers to unlock this thread and take it over. (The real moderators already know I've been given mysterious powers, so don't bother reporting me.)

I happened to like this card, so I'm going to take over as its sponsor. I'm not sure where this card stands in terms of quality. It can generate 1C, if you're willing to take the tempo loss. Of course, Mirrodin's Core also generates coloured mana only with a tempo loss, although it can't generate coloured mana the same turn it comes into play. I reckon this is probably rare calibre, then. Could I have it come into play tapped to reduce it to uncommon calibre? (It can still sacrifice the turn it comes into play to generate C and it can generate 1C on subsequent turns, so it's far from bad with a CIPT penalty.)

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Dying Oasis
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{T}, Sacrifice Dying Oasis: Add {2} to your mana pool.
{T}, Sacrifice Dying Oasis: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2005, 08:26:42 pm »

As it currently stands, it's strictly better than Crystal Vein, so CIPT is probably required here.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2005, 08:28:35 pm »

I think a land that can produce more than one mana, one of which is of any color, could be quite problematic.  I know this would be pretty busted in Long, that's for sure.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2005, 10:49:09 pm »

Hrrm... The reference to Crystal Vein gave me an idea. If Wizards can turn the "legendary" supertype into a real drawback, why shouldn't the "land" type be a real drawback. After all, there's a rule that says you can only play one land a turn. How about a land that really takes advantage of that penalty, then...

Dying Oasis
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{T}, Sacrifice Dying Oasis: Add {2} to your mana pool.
{T}, Sacrifice Dying Oasis: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

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The mana production of this land is really great, but it will never come without losing one's land drop.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2005, 10:44:11 am »

This is the type of card that will only be good in combo and 'Haups-style decks, and terrible in everything else. That said, that was mainly true of things like Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors and Crystal Vein as well, so maybe this could be another addition to that list.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2005, 02:27:34 pm »

I actually like that idea, Ephraim. It doesn't look broken, and actually looks quite fair.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2005, 02:57:53 pm »

Agreed. Ephraim's most recent card is fair and doesn't obsolete any particular other card.
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2005, 03:02:18 pm »

Ancient Tomb and to a lesser extent City of Traitors were very broken in extended, so much so that tomb is banned.  I don't think thats the greatest comparison, as those cards are far above anything wizards will print in the future, and hasnt rosewater said that lands which produce more than one mana are pretty much off limits, as they are just too powerful, even with huge drawbacks like tomb and city of traitors?  This just seems like theres no fair way it could be played, it would either not be used at all or it would be abused like tomb and city.
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2005, 04:14:13 pm »

City of Traitors isn't really broken per se, and this is definitely worse. With City you can play it, tap it, then next turn tap it before playing another land and losing the City. You can get four mana out of a City, this can't do that. As City is still on the safe side broken, this is definitely fair.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2005, 10:18:45 am »

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2005, 03:56:46 am »

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