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« on: July 15, 2005, 01:21:29 am »

5 Color is too expensive. There, I said it. Every time I show up at a premier event here in the Kentucky area, I always get drawn in by the 5 Color players. I gladly pay my $25.00 entry fee in every prerelease, just to go 1-3 drop, scurry over to watch Jason Dooley rifling through his 250 card deck, and then promptly pick my jaw up off the floor. Between the “NO� Counterspell, the foil set of power, and the sharpie-altered dual lands, there is an amazing string of plays going on, and it always looked like a blast.

A blast, that is, until you realize what it would take to actually build one of those piles. Between the dual lands and fetch lands necessary to just fix the mana, you would already have reached the limits on most budgets. Even prismatic requires multiples of the $10 fetch lands, not to mention the other random chase rares you wanted to run. Sword of Fire & Ice, Mirari’s Wake, the Judgement wishes, pain lands, the list goes on, and on, and on.

My team and I decided to do something about the price tag of the 250 card formats. My goal in this article is to present to you an alternative. We call this format Type 5, and it can be just as much fun, and I guarantee it will be at least half the price tag, which is a huge factor. In short, this format is Highlander Prismatic, with the Type 2 card pool. For clarification, that includes 8th Edition, Mirrodin, Darksteel, Fifth Dawn, Champions of Kamigawa, Betrayers of Kamigawa, and Saviors of Kamigawa.

Now, for the meat-and-potatoes of Type 5.

Deck Construction Rules
1. Your deck must be at least 250 cards, with at least 10 cards of each color.
Basically, we took the Prismatic/5 Color base, and altered it slightly to fit the card pool. Red and white had very few cards worth playing, and at the end of the day, fitting 10 cards that you don’t even want to play takes away from the fun. Plus, the first set in the card pool is chock full of bomb-tastic artifacts, and I can’t tell you how cool it is to imprint on Panoptic Mirror. We wanted to make sure that people had room for all the cool, techy cards they wanted to play.

2. Get some cool looking cards. No, seriously, go out and get some.
Think of Type 5 as the budget 5 Color. Therefore, half the appeal should be the encouragement to get creative. Grab some Sharpies and get to doodling. I know you’ve got a spare Kokusho, so grab a marker, draw an arm, and write some reference to “burninating the countryside�. The funnier, the better. And, of course, the more foils the better.

Other Type 5 Rules
1. The Ten Card Opener
Yep, you read correctly. Ten cards in your opening hand. This is a fairly new rule, one we just put into effect in the last month or so. We found that with this format, seven card hands often resulted in mulligans, which did nothing but waste time, since the mulligan rules are so liberal (more on that later...). This format was meant as something to do in between rounds at a tournament, or just a way to kill a little time. Mulligans just increased the amount of time you weren’t doing anything, so we figured we needed a solution. We upped the opening hand size (and, by default, the maximum hand size) by three cards, and it seems to be working, without proving to be degenerate.

2. Mulligan Rules
So, you draw your ten card opener, and see to Islands, and nothing but green and red cards. Hey, it happens, especially in a highlander deck as large as this. In tournament play, you’d have to reshuffle everything, draw one less card, and still probably have to mulligan. To simplify, we decided to just toss the old hand somewhere in the middle of the deck, shuffle once or twice, if you want, and then draw a new hand, one card smaller than the first. Feel free to be as strict or as lenient as you want to with mulligan rules, its really up to you.

3. The Banned and Restricted List
First, the restricted list: Every card, excluding non-basic lands. This is highlander, remember? Seriously, though, some cards proved to be more degenerate than fun, so they needed to get the axe.

- Arc Slogger
A five mana 4/5, that shocks for 1 red would be far too broken. R&D felt that old Arc-Sloggy Slog needed a drawback. In this format, though, his drawback is almost non-existent, and thus an overwhelmingly efficient creature that just kills all the fun you were supposed to be having (along with all the creatures that formerly occupied the table.).

- Sundering Titan
A fairly obvious inclusion. This format thrives on basic lands, and this guy can jump into play way earlier that anyone can possibly be ready for him. In the first few games of this format, with no banned list, fourth turn Bribery and/or Acquire would show up, and people would opt not to get Titan, so the game could continue. He just ends the game when he shows up, right there on the spot. Since those cards generally aren’t fun we axed the 7/10 split.

- Bribery/Acquire
These cards were just unfair. They were tutors, that denied your opponent a card. They both dropped Bosh into play for a very low cost. They got Eternal Witness/Mindslaver, respectively. They were banned for much the same reason everything else was; they ended the game in an unfair, and sudden manner, and no one enjoyed it.

- Rude Awakening/Myr Incubator
These cards both end the game abruptly, and very few cards in the standard card pool deal with them. To go a step further, most of the cards that deal with them are unplayable, but they had to be in your deck if you wanted a chance to survive these monsters.

- Gifts Ungiven
I think it took us too long to break this card, but with our most recent gifts pile, the game ended on your next untap. You could gifts up Eternal Witness, All Suns' Dawn, Choice of Damnation, and Twincast. By no means do you want your opponent to gifts again, so you have to give them Choice and Twincast. Trying playing through that sometime. Go on, I dare ya.

Keep in mind, these bannings are through Betrayers of Kamigawa. While Saviors is legal, we have only played a little of Type 5 with Saviors cards, so we’re still trying to figure out if anything needs to go. So far, the blue Epic spell seems very overpowered. Choice of Damnations is amazing, but I don’t think it is overwhelming.

Deck Building Tips
Now, in playing Type 5 since its incarnation, I’ve noticed a couple of things. First, this format is hugely about artifacts. Equipment, in particular is proving to be a force to reckon with. As a result, grab any and all artifact hate and jam it into the deck. You can pass on a few, if you like, such as Dismantle, but be prepared to deal with a bunch of powerful brown (or, is it silver now?) cards. Also, make sure you’ve got a Naturalize and Creeping Mold, because Hondens will show up. They’re good, and you will come across them.

Also, we’ve noted that counter-magic is very weak, except for two exceptions. Time Stop, for its versatility as a counter spell, a time walk, a fog effect, and a Stifle all at once make it an easy inclusion. The other counter spell worthy of Type 5 is Overwhelming Intellect. This card is amazing. It will almost always draw you six or more cards, and it counters their bomb. I love seeing this card in my hand, and would love to see it a little more often.

As a final tip towards building your deck, include every piece of two-drop acceleration you can find. This format boils down to accelerating and fixing your mana, then drop bomb after bomb after bomb. You would also be wise to include Darksteel Ingot, Ur-Golem’s Eye, and Gilded Lotus, as they have been great for me also.

The Future of Type 5
We have considered that Standard will be rotating soon, and as such, we are faced with a decision. We currently operate off the Type 2 card pool, so the logical step would be to rotate the decks with the Standard rotation. However, not only would we lose a ton of mana fixing, acceleration, and just all-around interesting cards, it would also be a huge hassle, and its just not an attractive idea. The other idea with this rotation is to add new sets to the card pool as they are released. No longer could we explain Type 5 as “Type 2 Prismatic Highlander�, but we do get to keep these cool cards we’ve fallen in love with. Grim Reminder is a personal favorite of mine that I’m not looking forward to losing.

Additionally, the decks would grow farther and farther apart. Currently, with such a small card pool, the decks are only different by 10-20 cards on average. Now, while this doesn’t matter too much, personally I’d prefer to eventually have deck archetypes emerge, such as Re-Animator, just as in 5 Color. That won’t happen for a while, but slowly the decks will become more and more different, and will allow for more exciting games.

Officially, I’m on the side of not rotating the decks. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter, though, so feel free to post your opinions on the message boards.

So, there you have it. Our humble little format has provided us with many hours of entertainment, and I suggest you give it a shot. It would warm my heart if I saw even two new people at the next prerelease enjoying a game of Type 5. If you have any questions, post them in the forum, or feel free to email me at Dragonegg5@hotmail.com

Until then, may you always have artifact hate for that damned Panoptic Mirror.

- Scott Schauf
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 03:04:20 am »

This sounds like a blast of a format. My 5-color is just a pile right now. What I mean is, until Academy is banned, I will not lose games because combo is broken in that format. I'm wondering though, don't all the decks look the same? With only one of each card in T2, you probably can't come up with a very good strategy other than playing beaters. Also, with all those cards you've banned, I'm not seeing how they'd be a problem because you only run one of each in a 250-card stack. Sure, when you Aquire an opponent's Titan, they lose, but how often does that even come up? The only real tutors I can think of are things like Fabricate, Steelshaper's Gift and Hero's Demise.

I think that you should OBVIOUSLY call this format High Five.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 02:21:59 pm »

Decks do look pretty similar right now, thats why I don't want to rotate sets out of it, so the decks could grow apart, and maybe become sort of archetyped someday.

You'd be surpirsed how often Bribery/Acquire came down early. You basically wanna play every piece of acceleration that doesn't suck, and the same w/ card drawing, so cards like that are found pretty quickly. Plus, those games where your opponent just drew the broken hand that played one of those turn 3, the game wasn't much fun.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 05:34:02 pm »

I was looking at sets in MWS and I can easily find 20 playable cards in every color from the sets for multiple strategies. Just in white, there's stuff for aggro (Isamaru, Steelshaper's Gift, Apprentice Steelshaper, Savannah Lions, Kitsune Blademaster) and stuff for control (Chastise, Wrath, Final Judgement, Holy Day, Awe Strike). If you wanted to bump the color requirements up to 20 for each color, it could easily be done. I think the best way to popularize the format would be to make the rules identical to Prismatic and 5-color as much as you can.

Looking over the sets, I found that there are some distinct strategies that you can play, too. The fatties route looked pretty appealing-- Emperor Croc, Iwamori, Yukora, etc. I think you could easily get a 5/5 in play by turn 3-4, and that's pretty neat.

I still kinda stand by not banning anything, or if you do, just banning Titan and Bribery/Aquire. I love Gifts, and it requires lots of mana to fire off a really good one. That said, why isn't the backbreaking play the Flower Power engine with Hana Kami?
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2005, 12:35:14 am »

"I was looking at sets in MWS and I can easily find 20 playable cards in every color from the sets for multiple strategies. Just in white, there's stuff for aggro (Isamaru, Steelshaper's Gift, Apprentice Steelshaper, Savannah Lions, Kitsune Blademaster) and stuff for control (Chastise, Wrath, Final Judgement, Holy Day, Awe Strike). If you wanted to bump the color requirements up to 20 for each color, it could easily be done. I think the best way to popularize the format would be to make the rules identical to Prismatic and 5-color as much as you can."

This is probably something that will happen as more sets are released, and thus added to the legal cardpool. The big issue is that I don't want people forced into certain cards to fill something like a color requirement. Especially with the Mirrodin block as the starting set, youd be forced out of cool artifacts, to play a fog effect to fill your white requirement, for example.


"I still kinda stand by not banning anything, or if you do, just banning Titan and Bribery/Aquire. I love Gifts, and it requires lots of mana to fire off a really good one. That said, why isn't the backbreaking play the Flower Power engine with Hana Kami?"

It was more of an issue of making this format a fun one. I don't see there ever being a Type 5 Worlds, so fun is the most important part. The cards on the Banned list are there for the simple fact that the game was not fun if those resolved.

Also, a broken gifts requires 8 mana, using the combination of cards from the first post. I'm playing all the Flower Power cards, but I never wanted to Gifts those up when Witness/Sun's Dawn/Twincast/Choice just won me the game.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2005, 03:24:43 am »

I thank you and Caleb for introducing me to the format, and I hope I showed that aggro can work within the few games I played.

As far as rotation, I think it is a good idea to rotate at least every once in a while. You could do it with 3 blocks or something instead of 2, if you want the cardpool to be large. I realize you don't want to lose Mirrodin block, but Ravnica block should bring its own consistency in the form of new Gold cards. I think if you decide not to rotate, you should eventually raise the color minimum to 20, since there will be more cards available to the slots.

Whatever you do, it'll work out fine.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2005, 06:17:32 am »

I *really* support rotating as Standard rotates. It lets people who are just starting to pick the format up and it also keeps things fresh. I want to pour over spoilers in every set for the next cool card to throw in. With Mirrodin rotating out, you lose the painrocks and myrs, but you also might gain some new acceleration. Fellwar Stone will be in 9th along with Llanowar Elves and Utopia Tree. The thing that appeals to me about this format is how it will constantly be changing; to make it like extended makes certain cards very powerful and forces you to lose to the same cards and strategies over and over.

Upon throwing together a deck in MWS, I will agree that 10 cards per color is good, and 15 may be fine. With only 3 sets to choose from, there's a lot of crap, but I wouldn't want the format to be green & artifact with 40 other splashed cards.dec.

And Journeyer's Kite is absolutely busted in half. I want to tutor for that every single game.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2005, 10:41:45 pm »

I think what I'll end up doing is not rotate for this next block, and see how that goes. After that, when Champs would be rotating out, I'll make a "final" decision, I guess. I agree, though, it would be easier to pick up if I could just tell people "Type 2 cards" instead of Mirrodin Block and up, plus 8th. I don't know, I see valid points for both sides.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 05:42:58 am »

This appears to be your third post. I just wanted to say how impressed I am with it. I only wish more 'early' posts were like yours ;-)

On topic: your format looks like heaps of fun. As a small aside, it will probably be more expensive for me than regular 5c, having next to no current Standard cards (with the exception of almost everything you have on your banned list ;-), while I could pretty easily form a 5c pile out of my 'vintage playables' and the rest of my collection. I suspect this may be true for several other players, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great idea for a lot of us.

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 10:35:57 am »

I have to agree with Bram. It's a nice format for newer players to delve into, although I think I like just regular Prismatic (or 5c) a little bit more, for the same reason Bram indicated: I have most of the chase-cards already, while I don't have many T2 cards.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 05:05:55 pm »

What I like about it is that all the good cards that you need are really easy to get. The Talismans and Myrs are common/uncommon, and stuff like All Sun's Dawn, Godo, Journeyer's Kite, Planar Portal, etc. are really cheap. Since it's all highlander, you can probably eschew Jitte and Kokusho if you feel like it and it won't matter that much.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2005, 05:11:01 pm »

That was pirmarily the main reason for developing this format. As standard/ext players, we had a ton of this stuff as extra. I can see where it might be hard to get some of this stuff, no one card is extremely taxing.
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